
“Why do Asian women prefer white men? Seriously… why?”
The Harvard MBA says:
Ah yes, this is an oft-observed but seldom-analyzed phenomenon! The key is to focus on a market-driven analysis. The inevitable conclusion is that Asian women prefer white men because white men prefer Asian women.
The concept of market segmentation is both basic and powerful. Businesses succeed by identifying the market segments with the greatest willingness to pay, and then catering to them. There’s no value judgment involved–if young people want to watch trashy reality television, let there be “The Hills”!
In the case of Asian women, over the past several decades, they discovered an important fact: Most white guys have an Asian fetish. Heck, pretty much all (non-Asian) American males do. For example, take the Outkast song “Hey Ya“. In it, the African-American recording artists sing, “Now all Beyonces, and Lucy Lius, and baby dolls, get on the floor,” implying an equivalent level of attractiveness between Beyonce and Lucy Liu. I consider myself an connoisseur of female beauty, and I can tell you that Lucy Liu would not be considered hot if she weren’t Asian. Beyonce is way hotter than Lucy Liu (though neither can hold a candle to Jessica Alba or Megan Fox).
Lest you think this is a unique phenomenon, let me point out that many white girls have similar fetishes for British, French, Spanish, and Italian accents (This is most entertainingly demonstrated in “Love Actually“, where a British loser decides to travel to America, where all the women love English accents; he ends up in Milwaukee, and within a few hours, is engaged in group sex with three American girls, including Elisha Cuthbert. See also, “Banderas, Antonio”.)
These fetishes represent a market inefficiency; the British loser in “Love Actually” would have no chance at bedding a single attractive woman in his native England, let alone three. Thanks to the White Guy Asian Fetish (”WGAF”), even unattractive Asian women have a chance to score a significant other or mate.
And remember, race isn’t even the only factor. The millieu also matters. One of my friends once taught Economics at UC Berkeley; he told me about the time he heard two Asian undergrads in his class talking about their frustration with the Asian chicks who went the Berkeley. What really offended them wasn’t the exploitation of the WGAF, but rather that the Asian chicks at Berkeley weren’t even that hot, because “all the really hot ones went to UCLA.”
Put yourself in the typtical Asian woman’s shoes. Let’s say that you have your choice of two guys. The first guy is average-looking, of average intelligence, and has an average career. The second guy is good-looking, smart, and has a good career. Which one are you going to choose? If the only difference is that Guy #1 is Asian and Guy #2 is white, my guess is you’re choosing Guy#2. That’s not racism, that’s smart market segmentation.
P.S. The logical follow-up question is, what should I do if I’m an Asian guy? My advice: Try to exploit market inefficiencies and go for chicks who dig martial arts movies. Do you think Jackie Chan or Jet Li ever lacks for babes?
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147 Comments
I like your take on the dynamics of racial dating preferences, but you still don’t answer the pre-question:
Why DO white (/all men) men prefer Asian women?
Is it the hyper-femininization? The accessible exoticism (rare, but not quite as intimidating as a 6′ tall, super-dark, African runway model)? The supposed wifely passivity (despite the spot-on stereotype that Chinese women will dominate a husband into the ground)?
One of my best friends from high school was a buxom blond cheerleader with a self-professed Asian guy fetish. She went to UCLA for college and was in dating heaven. Maybe it was the clean, hairless look, the feminized masculinity, or maybe, as you suggest, the suggestion of an undercover martial arts master.
It’s a confusing subject, but I think there’s more to it than scarcity (at least where geography’s concerned). The fetish is actually strongest where Asian (men and women) are the most abundant: the SF bay area, L.A., the whole of the West Coast.
Thank God I moved here and can get a date even if I’m wearing my cross-country sweats from high school.
-Susan
because asians are sexy without trying. they dont need a shit load of makeup either. smooth skin, very feminine, classy, youthful, pale skinned with dark hair = a touch of danger.
One important fact to bear in mind…men strongly prefer youthful-looking women. Marrying an Asian woman means avoiding a costly divorce 20 years later.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5847984513475560733
WHY ARE ALL THE WHITE GUYS TAKING OUR GIRLS???
It’s a funny video. Check it out.
I totally agree with you regarding Beyonce, Lucy Liu, Jessica Alba and Megan Fox! (And also, I found it strange to see Sandra Oh on those top 10 sexiest woman lists, but that’s just my opinion. Who knew what other people are thinking?)
About the fetish for (kung-fu-fighting, ass-kicking) asian guys, check out this award-winning short film, Dragon of Love!
http://www.sundancechannel.com/videos/230255530
Kelvin,
Thanks to the pointer on “Dragon of Love.” That was hilarious. But unrealistic.
Seriously, if I were dating some smoking hot babe and she wanted me to wear samurai armor, I’d be like, “Help me put on this crotch protector.”
David,
Checked out Yellow Fever. Pretty funny stuff. “I’m not being racist or anything.” “Yes, you are.”
My personal opinion on this is that the Asian dudes who are mad about this stuff should spend less time griping amongst themselves and more time talking with women. I’m pretty sure that it’s hard to get women without actually being around them.
Not that they don’t have a point…Asian guys don’t get much respect (except when companies are looking to hire superstar engineers).
Asian women are, on average, more feminine than white women. On the other hand, white men are, on average, more masculine than Asian men. Moreover, black men are, on average, more masculine than white men, while black women are, on average, less feminine than white women. These facts explain most of the racial discrepancies in sexual preferences. The “Yellow Fever” short film linked to above is a good illustration of these patterns.
Mixed-race couples are the rule, not the exception here in the Bay Area. Of course, this includes a lot of white guy - asian girl couples, but I see (and know) quite a few asian guy - white girl couples out here - along with every other possible combination of white, asian, black, hispanic, middle-eastern, etc.
Cities are melting pots. In a city that’s less than 50% white and over 30% Asian, there’s going to be a fair amount of mixing. What’s the big deal? Why does this need to be a fetish?
Putting the label “fetish” aside, the question of whether there’s some attractive quality that Asian women have in common is a fair one. When I was younger (high school, college), the really cute white girls were often kind of dumb (or, at least, they felt like they needed to act that way). In other words, white girls were either smart or cute. This wasn’t true with the Asian girls I knew.
Fascinating continuation of our discussion at another blog with a slightly different audience:
http://www.halfsigma.com/2009/06/agwwg-asian-girl-with-white-guy.html
A lot of interesting information, but some of the commenters make me fear for humanity. They seem to have an obsession with preventing non-whites from getting their women.
All of this talk seems to imply that Asian men are either victims or made to not have choice. What about simpler explanation? Perhaps Asian men are choosier and less likely than others to date or engage in relationships just for the sake of having one?!
There is an implicit assumption in all of this that having more relationships is better than having less. This axiom needs some critical thought first.
I nice article. I agree with some of it. I dont think white guys have asian fetish’s, but there attracted to other aspects like culture and respect.
I was reading this blog and its actually interesting because it comes from someone who has been through it all. The whole Asian fetish thing.
http://wazian.blogspot.com/
Well a lot of this is pure hype, the beauty standard of the world is white women.However asians are no dummies they are a big part of this meida machine pumping out that every white and non white man craves asian women so much.For example look at susan’s comments.
Lets be honest people most white men date or marry asian women with pale looking skin or high yellow complextion.Dont get me wrong you do see some white men date asian women with darker tones.
Back to asian women, many asian women use racism aganist other darker asian people to get close to white people most of all white men.I would also say many use anti-black bigtory too .In this very post a woman went on comparing one self to a person of darker skin tone,but hey it works.
Ok people at the end of the day asian women want it both ways.But very few will ever admit.People its the law of nature women want as many men to choose from as possible,even if there washed up or worn out from years of having sex with multi partners.
Now asian men yelling asian pride all day will not stop this trend anytime soon,explore your options learn other cultures.
With all that said people should date who they like, paste these comments their dam good and truthful.
We also have to consider self hating asians who get eyes surgrey,also skin bleaches to look white
I am an Asian woman, and I’ll speak for myself - the reason I have a weakness for blue eyes is because there is something so appealing about possibly having a child who looks like Mark-Paul Gosselaar, Linsay Price, or Kristin Kreuk. All three are bi-racial and happen to be half-Asian.
I have nothing against Asian men, nor any other race, for that matter…but having the love and respect that I feel toward my father who is Filipino, I keep him on a pedestal. I’ve never dated an Asian man, have never been attracted to one.
I have only had Caucasian boyfriends but have dated other races. As far as being cared for goes, I am in the process of honing my skills in choosing men who actually pay. One of my ex’s paid for our last anniversary dinner with gift cards, which he requested from his parents specifically for our occasion…
it is totally untrue tht i love my asain boyfriend becuz of kunfu or whatever its becuz he is super duper hottt!! n nice n outgoing he’s like mongolian descent n i think they are very masculine
white chick n am good looking too hehe
Im a white male and white women are not the standard for beauty in the universe.It is most certainly asian women with their sexy skin,cute nose and eyes,small cute feet.Pointy nosed,ashy,big footed,old looking white women dont come even close. People say asian men dont date out because blah blah. The real reason is because they have the best already and know it.
The only reason I kept on reading this article was because of his Harvard title… but apparently MBAs doesn’t give insights into social issues. The writer is friggin idiot and he’s got no clue what he’s talking about.
Let me tell you the facts here… too often this topic gets obscured…. cut all the bullcrap about who’s more beautiful, who’s more loyal, who’s got bigger dicks, who’s more feminine…etc etc
Get this through your head first: PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE. there’re minor physical differences between races on average but they hardly account for their general attractiveness. there are attractive and ugly ones in every race.
It’s hardly anything about the way they [innately] ARE that makes you find them attractive or not. You need to understand it’s about the way YOU PERCIEVE them. Thus the most important thing is to understand WHERE and HOW that perception came about. A discussion without this understanding is completely pointless.
If you’ve lived in a Western country, as you all [should] know, perception on Asians in general is all about exoticism, but in an unflattering and often degrading way. Now I’ll expect to see some hands claiming to completely deny to have such biased perception, and I’ll tell you you are wrong, not because you lied, but you just do not have the awareness that you are one of everybody who has adopted the mainstream perception thorugh an inevitable political socialization, i.e. via mass media and social norms. to be blunt, you have all been brainwashed to percieve Asians in such way, to a certain extent. It’s engraved in one corner of your brain, which lingers in your subconsciouness - something you can’t easily control with your will.
This perception on Asians began with the European domination of the world - what had long been Chinese supremacy for 1000s of years was completely overturned in a last few centures with the emergence of Rationalism and industrialization in Europe. Europeans conquered the world and acquired political, economic, and military supremacy. And naturally enough, the dominance European men had let them adopt and justify the views that were more advantageous to themselves.
Some of the view and ideas that began evolving during this era:
- Orientalism(idea that mystifies, exoticizes, objectifies and by doing so, generalizes&stereotypes Foreign culture and their people, and often sexuality of their women, thereby making Europeans as the mainstream and seem superior)
- Asian Fetish(objectification, hypersexualization, and subjugation of Asian women often in a derogatory way, thereby symbolizing the sexual dominance of American men, or often White men, over men of other races).
This wikipedia article gives a brief history on the evolution of Asian Fetish: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_fetish
In dating preferences, these are the implications that these ideas establish.
1. For White men, these ideas establish their sexual superiority and themselves as the Alpha Male figure that attains the priority in sexual access to Asian women and women of other race they desire
2. For White women, these ideas raise their minimum standards - Asian men are lower on social ladder, thus not to be considered for dating - making them to stay more loyal to their White men.
So, now you understand how the perception on Asian women came about and why White men have Asian fetish (while White women don’t).
You should’ve gotten the point by now: It’s not about races or their uniqueness of culture, or their superficial physical differences. They could play as a factor, but it’s only a very minor one. It is almost all about how YOU were TAUGHT TO PERCIEVE things. And these perceptions are simply established by dominant nations(dominated by men) that seek to gain advantages.
Turn it around, and the pattern would go exactly the same. Had the Chinese maintained their supremacy and dominated the media, things would have gone in favor of Chinese men and the lookalikes(which would be East Asian men in general). Chinese men would have maintained the idea of themselves as the mainstream and the superior. They would create and justify the perception that exoticizes Europe and hypersexualizes White women in a derogatory way. You’d see all these Chinese/Asian men with White fetish chasing after White women, and White women would do well to reciprocate their creepy sexual lust, because Chinese men would be deemed higher in socioeconomic status, which is what all women values the most.
The writer’s got no clue what he’s talking about. Apparently Harvard MBAs don’t do SH*T when it comes to analyzing social issues…. how pathetic.
Tired of seeing too often this topic gets obscured…cut all the bullcrap about who’s more beautiful, who’s more loyal, who’s got bigger dicks, who’s more feminine…etc etc
Get this through your head first: PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE. there’re minor physical differences between races on average but they hardly account for their general attractiveness. there are attractive and ugly ones in every race.
It’s hardly anything about the way they [innately] ARE that makes you find them attractive or not. You need to understand it’s about the way YOU PERCIEVE them. Thus the most important thing is to understand WHERE and HOW that perception came about. A discussion without this understanding is completely pointless.
If you’ve lived in a Western country, as you all [should] know, perception on Asians in general is all about exoticism, but in an unflattering and often degrading way. Now I’ll expect to see some hands claiming to completely deny to have such biased perception, and I’ll tell you you are wrong, not because you lied, but you just do not have the awareness that you are one of everybody who has adopted the mainstream perception thorugh an inevitable political socialization, i.e. via mass media and social norms. to be blunt, you have all been brainwashed to percieve Asians in such way, to a certain extent. It’s engraved in one corner of your brain, which lingers in your subconsciouness - something you can’t easily control with your will.
This perception on Asians began with the European domination of the world - what had long been Chinese supremacy for 1000s of years was completely overturned in a last few centures with the emergence of Rationalism and industrialization in Europe. Europeans conquered the world and acquired political, economic, and military supremacy. And naturally enough, the dominance European men had let them adopt and justify the views that were more advantageous to themselves.
Some of the view and ideas that began evolving during this era:
- Orientalism(idea that mystifies, exoticizes, objectifies and by doing so, generalizes&stereotypes Foreign culture and their people, and often sexuality of their women, thereby making Europeans as the mainstream and seem superior)
- Asian Fetish(objectification, hypersexualization, and subjugation of Asian women often in a derogatory way, thereby symbolizing the sexual dominance of American men, or often White men, over men of other races).
This wikipedia article gives a brief history on the evolution of Asian Fetish: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_fetish
In dating preferences, these are the implications that these ideas establish.
1. For White men, these ideas establish their sexual superiority and themselves as the Alpha Male figure that attains the priority in sexual access to Asian women and women of other race they desire
2. For White women, these ideas raise their minimum standards - Asian men are lower on social ladder, thus not to be considered for dating - making them to stay more loyal to their White men.
So, now you understand how the perception on Asian women came about and why White men have Asian fetish (while White women don’t).
You should’ve gotten the point by now: It’s not about races or their uniqueness of culture, or their superficial physical differences. They could play as a factor, but it’s only a very minor one. It is almost all about how YOU were TAUGHT TO PERCIEVE things. And these perceptions are simply established by dominant nations(dominated by men) that seek to gain advantages.
Turn it around, and the pattern would go exactly the same. Had the Chinese maintained their supremacy and dominated the media, things would have gone in favor of Chinese men and the lookalikes(which would be East Asian men in general). Chinese men would have maintained the idea of themselves as the mainstream and the superior. They would create and justify the perception that exoticizes Europe and hypersexualizes White women in a derogatory way. You’d see all these Chinese/Asian men with White fetish chasing after White women, and White women would do well to reciprocate their creepy sexual lust, because Chinese men would be deemed higher in socioeconomic status, which is what all women values the most.
(Part 1) Apparently Harvard MBA don’t do SH*T when it comes to analyzing social issues. This guys is completely clueless.
Cut all the bullcrap about who’s more beautiful, who’s more loyal, who’s got bigger dicks, who’s more feminine…etc etc
Get this through your head first: PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE. there’re minor physical differences between races on average but they hardly account for their general attractiveness. there are attractive and ugly ones in every race.
It’s hardly anything about the way they [innately] ARE that makes you find them attractive or not. You need to understand it’s about the way YOU PERCIEVE them. Thus the most important thing is to understand WHERE and HOW that perception came about. A discussion without this understanding is completely pointless.
If you’ve lived in a Western country, as you all [should] know, perception on Asians in general is all about exoticism, but in an unflattering and often degrading way. Now I’ll expect to see some hands claiming to completely deny to have such biased perception, and I’ll tell you you are wrong, not because you lied, but you just do not have the awareness that you are one of everybody who has adopted the mainstream perception thorugh an inevitable political socialization, i.e. via mass media and social norms. to be blunt, you have all been brainwashed to percieve Asians in such way, to a certain extent. It’s engraved in one corner of your brain, which lingers in your subconsciouness - something you can’t easily control with your will.
This perception on Asians began with the European domination of the world - what had long been Chinese supremacy for 1000s of years was completely overturned in a last few centures with the emergence of Rationalism and industrialization in Europe. Europeans conquered the world and acquired political, economic, and military supremacy. And naturally enough, the dominance European men had let them adopt and justify the views that were more advantageous to themselves.
(Part 2) Some of the view and ideas that began evolving during this era:
- Orientalism(idea that mystifies, exoticizes, objectifies and by doing so, generalizes&stereotypes Foreign culture and their people, and often sexuality of their women, thereby making Europeans as the mainstream and seem superior)
- Asian Fetish(objectification, hypersexualization, and subjugation of Asian women often in a derogatory way, thereby symbolizing the sexual dominance of American men, or often White men, over men of other races).
This wikipedia article gives a brief history on the evolution of Asian Fetish: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_fetish
In dating preferences, these are the implications that these ideas establish.
1. For White men, these ideas establish their sexual superiority and themselves as the Alpha Male figure that attains the priority in sexual access to Asian women and women of other race they desire
2. For White women, these ideas raise their minimum standards - Asian men are lower on social ladder, thus not to be considered for dating - making them to stay more loyal to their White men.
So, now you understand how the perception on Asian women came about and why White men have Asian fetish (while White women don’t).
You should’ve gotten the point by now: It’s not about races or their uniqueness of culture, or their superficial physical differences. They could play as a factor, but it’s only a very minor one. It is almost all about how YOU were TAUGHT TO PERCIEVE things. And these perceptions are simply established by dominant nations(dominated by men) that seek to gain advantages.
Turn it around, and the pattern would go exactly the same. Had the Chinese maintained their supremacy and dominated the media, things would have gone in favor of Chinese men and the lookalikes(which would be East Asian men in general). Chinese men would have maintained the idea of themselves as the mainstream and the superior. They would create and justify the perception that exoticizes Europe and hypersexualizes White women in a derogatory way. You’d see all these Chinese/Asian men with White fetish chasing after White women, and White women would do well to reciprocate their creepy sexual lust, because Chinese men would be deemed higher in socioeconomic status, which is what all women values the most.
(Part 2) Some of the view and ideas that began evolving during this era:
- Orientalism(idea that mystifies, exoticizes, objectifies and by doing so, generalizes&stereotypes Foreign culture and their people, and often sexuality of their women, thereby making Europeans as the mainstream and seem superior)
- Asian Fetish(objectification, hypersexualization, and subjugation of Asian women often in a derogatory way, thereby symbolizing the sexual dominance of American men, or often White men, over men of other races).
This wikipedia article gives a brief history on the evolution of Asian Fetish: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_fetish
In dating preferences, these are the implications that these ideas establish.
1. For White men, these ideas establish their sexual superiority and themselves as the Alpha Male figure that attains the priority in sexual access to Asian women and women of other race they desire
2. For White women, these ideas raise their minimum standards - Asian men are lower on social ladder, thus not to be considered for dating - making them to stay more loyal to their White men.
So, now you understand how the perception on Asian women came about and why White men have Asian fetish (while White women don’t).
You should’ve gotten the point by now: It’s not about races or their uniqueness of culture, or their superficial physical differences. They could play as a factor, but it’s only a very minor one. It is almost all about how YOU were TAUGHT TO PERCIEVE things. And these perceptions are simply established by dominant nations(dominated by men) that seek to gain advantages.
(Part 2) Some of the view and ideas that began evolving during this era:
- Orientalism(idea that mystifies, exoticizes, objectifies and by doing so, generalizes&stereotypes Foreign culture and their people, and often sexuality of their women, thereby making Europeans as the mainstream and seem superior)
- Asian Fetish(objectification, hypersexualization, and subjugation of Asian women often in a derogatory way, thereby symbolizing the sexual dominance of American men, or often White men, over men of other races).
This wikipedia article gives a brief history on the evolution of Asian Fetish: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_fetish
(Part 2) Some of the view and ideas that began evolving during this era:
- Orientalism(idea that mystifies, exoticizes, objectifies and by doing so, generalizes&stereotypes Foreign culture and their people, and often sexuality of their women, thereby making Europeans as the mainstream and seem superior)
- Asian Fetish*(objectification, hypersexualization, and subjugation of Asian women often in a derogatory way, thereby symbolizing the sexual dominance of American men, or often White men, over men of other races).
(Part 3)*search: “asian fetish” in Wikipedia
In dating preferences, these are the implications that these ideas establish.
1. For White men, these ideas establish their sexual superiority and themselves as the Alpha Male figure that attains the priority in sexual access to Asian women and women of other race they desire
2. For White women, these ideas raise their minimum standards - Asian men are lower on social ladder, thus not to be considered for dating - making them to stay more loyal to their White men.
So, now you understand how the perception on Asian women came about and why White men have Asian fetish (while White women don’t).
You should’ve gotten the point by now: It’s not about races or their uniqueness of culture, or their superficial physical differences. They could play as a factor, but it’s only a very minor one. It is almost all about how YOU were TAUGHT TO PERCIEVE things. And these perceptions are simply established by dominant nations(dominated by men) that seek to gain advantages.
Turn it around, and the pattern would go exactly the same. Had the Chinese maintained their supremacy and dominated the media, things would have gone in favor of Chinese men and the lookalikes(which would be East Asian men in general). Chinese men would have maintained the idea of themselves as the mainstream and the superior. They would create and justify the perception that exoticizes Europe and hypersexualizes White women in a derogatory way. You’d see all these Chinese/Asian men with White fetish chasing after White women, and White women would do well to reciprocate their creepy sexual lust, because Chinese men would be deemed higher in socioeconomic status, which is what all women values the most.
Asian women take advantage of the fact that they know caucasian men like them. They also know what side of the toast is buttered, and generally (but not always), prefer the rich men. These women (although not all) also have a reputation of being ”easy”. They’re also not too particular as to whether their partner is married, or not. Many married men have divorced because of them. Aren’t there enough unmarried men around, for crying out loud? The children of asian/caucasian couples tend to look more asian, as that’s the dominant gene, as is the case with offspring from black/caucasian couples.
I don’t agree that white/tall/blonde is the standard of female beauty. (Probably Fox news wouldn’t agree with my comment). Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. ”Some” men may be under the impression that asian women are more ‘’submissive”. That’s a myth. Once they’ve got their man, they tend to rule the roost.
The asian women one often sees with older middle-aged men are usually with them for material and self-interest reasons. Doubt if they’re in love, or after the great sex - lol
I don’t really feel sorry for these older men if they lose their last dime to these women. They’ve got brains in their head, and they should use them. Apart from the fact that they do look rather pathetic with these women who are usually about 20 (or more), years younger than them.
And guys. If you want to get some idea of how your asian girlfriend/wife will look like later on in life, just take a look at her mother!
Apparently Harvard MBAs don’t do SH*T when it comes to analyzing social issues…. how pathetic.
Tired of seeing too often this topic gets obscured…cut all the bullcrap about who’s more beautiful, who’s more loyal, who’s got bigger dicks, who’s more feminine…etc etc
Get this through your head first: PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE. there’re minor physical differences between races on average but they hardly account for their general attractiveness. there are attractive and ugly ones in every race.
It’s hardly anything about the way they [innately] ARE that makes you find them attractive or not. You need to understand it’s about the way YOU PERCIEVE them. Thus the most important thing is to understand WHERE and HOW that perception came about. A discussion without this understanding is completely pointless.
If you’ve lived in a Western country, as you all [should] know, perception on Asians in general is all about exoticism, but in an unflattering and often degrading way. Now I’ll expect to see some hands claiming to completely deny to have such biased perception, and I’ll tell you you are wrong, not because you lied, but you just do not have the awareness that you are one of everybody who has adopted the mainstream perception thorugh an inevitable political socialization, i.e. via mass media and social norms. to be blunt, you have all been brainwashed to percieve Asians in such way, to a certain extent. It’s engraved in one corner of your brain, which lingers in your subconsciouness - something you can’t easily control with your will.
This perception on Asians began with the European domination of the world - what had long been Chinese supremacy for 1000s of years was completely overturned in a last few centures with the emergence of Rationalism and industrialization in Europe. Europeans conquered the world and acquired political, economic, and military supremacy. And naturally enough, the dominance European men had let them adopt and justify the views that were more advantageous to themselves.
Some of the view and ideas that began evolving during this era:
- Orientalism(idea that mystifies, exoticizes, objectifies and by doing so, generalizes&stereotypes Foreign culture and their people, and often sexuality of their women, thereby making Europeans as the mainstream and seem superior)
- Asian Fetish(objectification, hypersexualization, and subjugation of Asian women often in a derogatory way, thereby symbolizing the sexual dominance of American men, or often White men, over men of other races).
This wikipedia article gives a brief history on the evolution of Asian Fetish: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_fetish
In dating preferences, these are the implications that these ideas establish.
1. For White men, these ideas establish their sexual superiority and themselves as the Alpha Male figure that attains the priority in sexual access to Asian women and women of other race they desire
2. For White women, these ideas raise their minimum standards - Asian men are lower on social ladder, thus not to be considered for dating - making them to stay more loyal to their White men.
So, now you understand how the perception on Asian women came about and why White men have Asian fetish (while White women don’t).
You should’ve gotten the point by now: It’s not about races or their uniqueness of culture, or their superficial physical differences. They could play as a factor, but it’s only a very minor one. It is almost all about how YOU were TAUGHT TO PERCIEVE things. And these perceptions are simply established by dominant nations(dominated by men) that seek to gain advantages.
Turn it around, and the pattern would go exactly the same. Had the Chinese maintained their supremacy and dominated the media, things would have gone in favor of Chinese men and the lookalikes(which would be East Asian men in general). Chinese men would have maintained the idea of themselves as the mainstream and the superior. They would create and justify the perception that exoticizes Europe and hypersexualizes White women in a derogatory way. You’d see all these Chinese/Asian men with White fetish chasing after White women, and White women would do well to reciprocate their creepy sexual lust, because Chinese men would be deemed higher in socioeconomic status, which is what all women values the most.
I am from central asia…and back there it is just as common to see AM WF (russian) there are a lot of russians there….but the russians are a minority there……..the media will undestandably portray the majority interests……however the most important thing in my opinion is not to view yourself through the eyes of someone else……because when viewed through the eyes of someone else you will always be “less than”……also minorities will always have to comply with the majority norms, ideas, beliefs, and culture…….when a person conforms and accepts and…when you come to a different country you often have to adapt to fit in….and it is understandable that you might wana make some adjustments…….it is crucial however…to find a healthy balance….because once you give up too much of you own identity due to external pressures….you might just lose your self identity….self respect……and self esteem……. I am not against interracial dating…..and i myself married outside of my race…. …..however…i have encountered some people….who deliberately attempt to shun away from their culture and their people , and even purposely put down their own people……..people with this kind of mentality…realy dont like who they are and have a weak sense of self………….in addition part of the appeal of the asian women is the exotic…….culture………
I think it should be said more often, Asian women have a White fetish as much as white men may have an asian fetish. I’m indifferent to Asian women. Are some beautiful? Absolutely. Are some ugly, absolutely, like any race. I am tall, successful, have blonde hair and blue eyes. Asian women seem to seek me out like a magnet. It’s weird. I feel like an object at times! It goes both ways sister….
Let’s face it. Most average and above average Asian women go for goofy, old, bald, and/or fat (yet successful) white guys (like your picture suggests). All else equal, they choose white guys every time; similar to black male’s fetish for white women.
as a black man i have dated many asian women and no disrespect to asian women especially chinese women, however i have found in my experiences with these women many of them are racially insecure. many asian women especially chinese have this desire to become white women they really despise their yellow skin, many times they really want to escape from their asian culture by getting with western men. A typical asian woman would kill her own mother just to french kiss zac efron they are really pathetic human beings who hunger for white acceptance.
I think that “Asian fetish” is vastly overstated. And Asian womens’ “white fetishes” are vastly understated.
I sure see a lot of short, ugly, bald, boring, nerdy white men with Asian women! Hmmm, why are they so much more susceptible to “Yellow Fever!” Because they can’t get white women!
I really think that the preponderance of white man/Asian women couples is a sign of female sexism. The white women think they’re too good for the lower echelon white men, and Asian women think they’re too good for Asian men.
I think Asian women need to open up to their own men, and Asian men need to try harder.
meh, don’t you worry about asian women prefering other races. It is just biased to conform with white’s perpectives. Simply put, there are a lot of asian women and believe me, asian men shouldn’t have to be worried about don’t get one. See, I am an asian who happen to observe about this phenomena. Let me get the facts straight.
1. White men usually pick ugly women, so we don’t even bother to care about that. True some of those white men are the one that considered as trash. But nevertheless, this is some kind of win - win situation.
Those white men need girls that are loyal and submissive, and the other hand, most of the those girls need a man that can spoil them and also can take them out from particular asian countries.
Of course there are some cute and good looking asian women that married with white man and I am not saying they are married with other intentions.
2. Most of asian guy you meet on the internet are the nerds one. (I am too since my parents sent me here) anyway, they just browsing internet because thats the only refreshing they have. Here is the fun facts. Most of those nerds never have gf so if you are trying to debate with them. Well, go ahead.
3. From my last trip to Hong Kong, I can conclude this fairly easy. The people of HK are a lot different than their overseas counterpart. Most of the guy are good looking (I am not gay, k?) and they have the nicest gf that you white guys might never see one in your country.
4. If you doubt about asian women loyalty, here I am going to share my experience. I get my current gf back in my home country and when my parents send me over to Australia to study. Man, she even can endure long distance relationship (which most of white women cant). I mean seriously, my gf is a good looking one and she can even get others while I am away in Australia but she just wont. How can I be so sure? Because she told me so. Well, beside if she happens to find other guy, I dont need to worry. Girls are not scarce.
oh, and seriously I need to ask you white guy something. Are you guys really glorifying and praise sex? Even when I used google image to find something unrelated to sex there would be pornographic content.
I know sex is good, Ive had it. But the way I see white people live just disgusts me. What most of you guys do is just going to club almost everyday (like you have nothing to do in ur life), drink alcohol like water, have sex everyday like no other day. Correct me if I am wrong
Regards,
Hans
As a white guy, I can tell you that my Asian girlfriend says she likes the “wide eyes” of white men and their bigger musculature (which she says is lacking on Asian men).
I have an Asian fetish. I prefer Asian women. Exclusively. I could call it a preference, but it’s more of a fetish. Yes, it’s impolitic to say I have a fetish, but that’s what it is. There’s just no denying it. I love visually undressing Asian girl passers-by, watching Asian porn, and objectifying Asian women.
I’m a white guy, 38, fairly successful and above average looking. I’m currently dating a Chinese girl almost 10 years younger than me. I’ve slept with Korean and Japanese girls, too.
I guess my list of why I like Asian girls is like this:
– Asian women are hot! I mean smoking hot! Ridiculously hot. Even “average” looking Asian girls (Chinese, Japanese, Thai) drive me crazy. The physical attraction I have to them is off the charts.
– Asian women “taste” better. I apologize since this is crude. But yes I do mean this sexually. They just do. I can only compare this to the white women I’ve been with. But, in comparison, I just find this to be true.
– Asian women are the epitome of femininity. Again, not all Asian girls. But I love their elegant hands, petite features, slender bodies, almost-hairless skin, and soft hair.
– Asian girls don’t mind if you have sex with them without a condom. Sure, they want to have safe sex. We all do. But mostly, they want you to be happy. If you don’t have a condom or don’t want to wear one, it is (sometimes) cool with them.
– Asian women don’t “interview” you on dates (most of them, at least). That is, when you date them they are more apt to talk about themselves and ask you courteous questions about yourself. They don’t “interrogate” you as part of the dating process (”How long was your last relationship?” “Tell me about your job!” “Why are you single?”) There don’t seem to be as many “dealbreakers” for Asian girls as far as dating is concerned. They pretty much accept you for who you are. That’s refreshing.
What’s interesting for me, is that my Asian fetish didn’t develop until the last 6 months or so. My perspective is unique (I think) since up until 6 months ago, I *never* even gave Asian girls a second glance. All I liked were white women (blondes, in particular).
That’s my .02.
Mike
Mike
Posted August 10, 2009 at 9:42 pm | Permalink
As a white guy, I can tell you that my Asian girlfriend says she likes the “wide eyes” of white men and their bigger musculature (which she says is lacking on Asian men).
I have an Asian fetish. I prefer Asian women. Exclusively. I could call it a preference, but it’s more of a fetish. Yes, it’s impolitic to say I have a fetish, but that’s what it is. There’s just no denying it. I love visually undressing Asian girl passers-by, watching Asian porn, and objectifying Asian women.
I’m a white guy, 38, fairly successful and above average looking. I’m currently dating a Chinese girl almost 10 years younger than me. I’ve slept with Korean and Japanese girls, too.
I guess my list of why I like Asian girls is like this:
– Asian women are hot! I mean smoking hot! Ridiculously hot. Even “average” looking Asian girls (Chinese, Japanese, Thai) drive me crazy. The physical attraction I have to them is off the charts.
– Asian women “taste” better. I apologize since this is crude. But yes I do mean this sexually. They just do. I can only compare this to the white women I’ve been with. But, in comparison, I just find this to be true.
– Asian women are the epitome of femininity. Again, not all Asian girls. But I love their elegant hands, petite features, slender bodies, almost-hairless skin, and soft hair.
– Asian girls don’t mind if you have sex with them without a condom. Sure, they want to have safe sex. We all do. But mostly, they want you to be happy. If you don’t have a condom or don’t want to wear one, it is (sometimes) cool with them.
– Asian women don’t “interview” you on dates (most of them, at least). That is, when you date them they are more apt to talk about themselves and ask you courteous questions about yourself. They don’t “interrogate” you as part of the dating process (”How long was your last relationship?” “Tell me about your job!” “Why are you single?”) There don’t seem to be as many “dealbreakers” for Asian girls as far as dating is concerned. They pretty much accept you for who you are. That’s refreshing.
What’s interesting for me, is that my Asian fetish didn’t develop until the last 6 months or so. My perspective is unique (I think) since up until 6 months ago, I *never* even gave Asian girls a second glance. All I liked were white women (blondes, in particular).
That’s my .02.
Mike
Amen, brother!
Very well said. After all, who cares about the particulars of attraction when the reasons are purely physical?
Mike’s opinion is a breath of fresh air. And while most will view it as racist/sexist, there can be no escaping the truth behind his reasoning - exaltation of women based upon looks to satisfy a long-standing fetish or admiration.
For years I’ve had inordinate attraction to asian women, though I seldom acted on it for fear of rejection or ridicule. No doubt, I find them to be among the most beautiful women on earth - if not the most beautiful. But who cares what I think? I love my preference, just as many love theirs of latinas, blacks or whites. Preferences help to quantify differences that make us unique as individuals. They help to eliminate social barriers that can be an impediment to understanding the dynamics of racial or ethnic differences.
My current girlfriend is Chinese whom I’ve dated exclusively for almost 3 years and we have a great intimate relationship. She certainly fills the characteristic asian archtype: slender and petite with soft, attractive features and silky black hair. More importantly, she is smart, savvy and loyal but hardly subservient as some are lead to believe. She drives me crazy at times with her twisted logic but that doesn’t keep me from fantasizing about her whilst in the midst of passionate lovemaking.
Just as Mike said, even average looking asian women for me are often viewed as sultry as compared with other women. Heck, I’ve seen some super cute fobs that probably wouldn’t garner a second look from your average, typical alpha male!
Aren’t Indian and Pakistani women considered asian too?
I am a white man and I am not attracted to Asian women. Some may look good when they are young, but as they age their faces look flat and puffy. Plus, most are missing a decent bust !
I am brown asian and have a white boy friend. It has nothing to do with skin or color, we are co workers and pretty much work in the same level. Things that attracted me were things i would look in any men. Usually brown skin muslim girls dont date white , but he just swept me off my feet.
I believe Oriental women Love Whit men , because Oriental Men have much smaller Penis.
I’m an Asian woman in her early 30s and I DO NOT prefer white males — I date people based on many factors but not based on the white/ Asian divide. I’m fairly successful and not ugly. In fact, I like Asian men because we often share similar backgrounds and values.
With the exception of one particularly confident outgoing guy, Asian men have not asked me out. The other four Asian men I dated: one I asked out, the other three were arranged by friends. I’ve gone to Asian single mixers without success.
So if you see me dating a white guy, it’s somewhat by default. He asked me out.
So, Asian males, before dismissing all Asian women as only wanting white men or dismissing white men who date Asian women as having a fetish, try asking us out. I’m sorry that you might have to face rejection but you don’t ask, you don’t get.
I take issue with the statement “all White Men prefer Asian Females.” I know for a fact that this is not true. It is related to “supply” that’s true. I live in the NJ/NYC area where there are a ton of Asian girls/women and I know many white guys who are not attracted to them at all for various reasons. But, in the mid west (where I am from) it’s a different story. Even an average or below average Asian girl will be considered attractive by a lot of white guys and these girls will have no trouble at all finding a partner.
While I do agree with the supply/demand point I think it also has to do with the media. I grew up where all the films showing Asian women showed them to be caring, devoted, loving, respectful … all the things most guys would like in a girl most of all (if they admitted it which they won’t). They want someone to take care of them and love them unconditionally and Asian girls (per the media) seemed to be this way. Or they were the “Daddy’s Little Girl” who needed someone to care for them which was attractive too - Like Nancy Kwan in “The World of Suzie Wong.” But, the reality is so different and exposure to “real people,” which living and working in NYC/NJ offers, really blows away stereotypes pretty quickly. The variety is tremendous and guess what? A lot of Asian girls really aren’t that attractive and a whole lot aren’t even nice all the time either… They are just like everyone else… What a revelation !
Still if a guy grew up being bombarded with the idea that Asian Girls were the epitome of devotion, respect, caring, love .. and “yes” there is an element of supposed sensual prowess here too… well it’s pretty difficult to overcome and just see people as people finally. Perhaps it’s impossible even.
I guess I was pretty addicted once myself so I should know. On the wagon now fortunately.
Oriental girls are not attractive, they have no bums, no busts and the mogoliod features reminds me of Downs symdrome people. A majority of them do not end up married to handsome young whitemen but old whitemen. As a young white man i get fed up of being pursued by the Oriental girls at college, i have no interest in them and yet they over flirt with me.
I am a black guy who dated an asian-canadian woman of chinese descent. She was gorgeous and had big bootys and boobs, infact she was a very rare gem in asian standard. We dated for atleast 2 years, I was accepted by her family, and almost got married to her, before I did a U-turn, bcos I got fed up with her dominating attitude.
Anyways, she always talked about how she admired huge masculinity, big eyes, tallness (I’m atleast 6ft), and how she wanted her future kids to have these features. In short she hated her asian features. These insecurities is the reason why many asians (south-pacific) women date outside there race. As for why many Asian women date mostly white guys for interracial dating, history and colonial mentality have alot to do with it. To them, marrying a white man is a symbol of class. Most asian women often bleach there skin, to gain acceptance by white men, bcos (to them) whiteness signifies “success”, “power”, and “privilege”, hence there is no better way to become enjoy these attributes than to marry a white man, even if he treats them as dirt. Today, many south-pacific asian families in diaspora compete against themselves, in regards to there daughters getting married a white man.
And today, Asian men are considered the loneliest among men of all races in North America.
I believe that asian girls goes for white men is because western men can provide them with good sex, quality of life and beautiful children.
To the eyes of all asian woman, western people are very handsome and rich. When you are rich and handsome, basically you can get all the girls in the world.
I disagreed that one writer wrote that Hong kong people are good looking. They are like little boy with growth problem. His opinion is very biased and in Hong kong, eurasian children are like gods to the girls.
It’s not surprising to see so many postings on this topic. Everyone has something to say about it because it’s such a common phenomenon, on which I did extensive research and wrote a book. The e-book is available at http://www.theseashellbooks.com/Bookshelf/Entries/2009/9/10_Secrets_of_asian_women.html
Check it out! The book tells you what’s the truth and what’s merely a myth about all the stereotypical traits of Asian women.
case in point! i am a female asian who dates a white male who attends HBS.
I think many, but not all, white guys like Asian women because of the perception of them being passive and easy to control. If Asian women are not like that, then they should watch out. I’ve seen enough Asian women to conclude that some are pretty and desirable, but many are ordinary looking, and in this way don’t differ from women of other backgrounds. What I like about Asian women is their supposed intelligence, but I like both white women and black women for other reasons. I’m male, and a mature man.
I’m a 27-year-old Asian American saying Don’t Be Sour Grapes. I read the answer, all the comments and the book, Secrets of Asian Women, mentioned in a Sept 12 comment. I’m glad to see such much discussion on Asian women’s popularity with White men, and actually men of all ethnicities according to the book, and my own experience.
I hope all the discussion will inform white women that we Asian women are not their enemies! If you don’t like us taking your men away, find out why. If you can’t beat us, JOIN US! Though one of the guys who posted a comment here said he just prefers some particular physical traits of Asian women, what most White guys told me they like about Asian women is not so difficult for white women to imitate. There are skinny White women who look younger than their ages, too. One of my mom’s friends is like that. She says she takes some Oriental herbs my mom recommended to her and it helps improve her skin. See, we Asian women can be your helpful friends! Don’t look at us like enemies! It’s NOT our fault that men like us!
And please don’t say sour grapes things like White guys who can’t get White girls go for Asian girls, etc. Don’t portray us as sly vixens, either. I hated that Harry Potter movie in which Harry Potter was neglecting a nice White girl and attracted to a mysterious Asian girl who turned out to be evil. Come on! Even the author of Harry Potter has sour grapes psychology!
sometimes love is just love. you can’t avoid who you are attracted to. I usually like a guy who has a personality. if the guy doesn’t have skillz in that department, no girl would think he’s worth it.
Annie le!
Nuff Said
You can get an insight into the reasons why by looking at which Asian girls want to be white the most…usually from poorest native countries or most exploited by whites.
Koreans, Chinese, Japanese are pretty rich and have much cultural pride with minimum invasion by white “knights”.
Indians, Philipinos, Laos, Cambodians, etc. are poor economically and have history of Europeans invading and putting the entire race into submissive role. This makes a perfect environment for brainwashing: white good, asian ok, dark skin bad.
The most self hating asians are of (in my experience) are philipinos. They hate being short, big nosed, dark skinned girls vs. white blonds. I even went to a “philipino” restaurant in US where the whole theme was based on blue and yellow blonde girl’s bakery.
Basically, many Asian women have low self confidence, insecure of ethnic physical features, low sense of cultural heritage and pride, many with years of “white worship” mentality….they basically WANT TO BE WHITE, so they marry white to have half asian babies.
This is not exclusive to asian women at all. Just look at hispanic TV channels….all are advertisements for “white is best, elite, you should want to be white”.
But don’t worry Asian guys, most of these self-hating women find out later to be divorced, married lower class white when they could have married higher class asian man, and they will still hate themselves for being Asian.
some Asian girls want to be accepted by mainstream society, so they marry white. But realize they are just faking to be someone who they are not.
Some Asian girls want the green card.
Some Asian girls want money, and many whites have money (upper class). Asian guys are still working on it (upper middle class)
Some Asian girls hate themselves, fathers, brothers, etc. so they marry white. Truth is hating yourself is not the road to happiness.
Some Asian girls just don’t have many Asians around…ie. middle of nowhere Iowa.
Some Asian girls were adopted, so they have no identification with Asians at all and they think they are white.
Some Asian girls are just curious. These girls date all races.
Some Asian girls are feminazis and see all Asian guys as enemies to their gender.
Some Asian girls were screwed over by Asian guys do they vow never to date Asian again and date exclusively non-Asian.
Oh, and in my experience, 90% of girls have issues including Asian girls. Who knows why they do illogical things the way they do. The luckiest guy (white or Asian) is the one who married an Asian culture loving, intelligent, self-confident women with no baggage.
Low/Middle class Asian women are materialistic…new money….so they marry for money. Just look at the bald jew the young asian women married.
Upper class Asian women have no reason to immigrate to America. They are rich in high social standing in their own country in Asia, so they marry another upper class Asian guy.
Also many older WM/AF couples are war brides….White soldiers deployed to war torn Asian country marry desparate Asian women seeking escape.
Best women can carry their own weight. They marry whoever they want, not exclusively white.
Don’t worry about Asian women chasing old white guys. Why sell Redsox merchandize at the Yankee stadium? Worry about marketing yourself to the other half Asian women chasing Asian guys. Elite Asian women fall in the latter category.
Also, the new trend is white women going for Asian guys. Here is a new market opportunity for those willing to take a little more risk.
for asianmale:
Do you have some sort of a problem with bald Jewish men? I don’t. Do you think that bald Asian men are somehow better? I don’t. Suppose the man was a bald Catholic or Protestant - would that make it better in your eyes? Not in mine, it wouldn’t.
At the end of the day, the phenomenon of Asian Woman/White men will slowly wear off. First of all, there is no shortage of Asian women, there are millions of them where ever you look. Plus the fact that they all seem to resemble each other, too. That can get V boring.
Once the novelty wears off, they’ll just have to settle for the older geezer brand of white men. Uh Oh ……. But I suppose that if the old guys have some dough in the bank it’ll make it sweeter for them.OMG!
Bottom line: Asian women are a-dime-a-dozen!
I chuckle at all this bs.
Some white guys on here think that they’re all that. Some Asian chicks that think they’re all that.
I’m of Filipino descent, about 5′9″ and well-built due to years of cardio-calisthenics, boyish face with full head of long, straight and THICK black hair and am PROUDLY 41 years old! I look a LOT younger than MANY white guys who are in their 20s (who seem to bald more easily, get wrinkly and what not).
I don’t even care about women’s ethnicity or race. Never have really. Sometimes my race can work against me…but then other times it WORKS FOR ME. If you look good, you look good and some of those honeys out there will let ya know it!
Exquisite. I still get my fair share of stares from pretty females of ALL races and age groups and I’m married, in my early 40s. I’m lovin’ life.
Not too many guys in their 40s have their boyish looks, hair and builds at my age. Damn, I feel good, especially after a workout and a shower. Put on some clean jeans and form fitting polo shirt…and this guy is good to go!
Peace out, baby.
Asian women don’t always prefer White men. You people got to stop thinking that just a small percentage of Asian women who so called “prefer” White guys represent the whole population of Asian women.
I don’t really understand why anyone would be attracted to pale skin with dark hair (terrible combination), a flat face that you could balance a plate on, and slanted eyes that you can’t tell are open or closed. It’s the submissivness, non challenging, non threatening traits that American men are attracted to in Asians. With Asians, American men can feel superior instead of equal, with American Women.
Well, there’s some fine racial stereotyping from Archer 1203.
I wonder why many white women look to certain ethnic men with thick hair, good complexion and good builds with boyishly handsome faces as they complain that pasty white men get bald early and red and flaky in other instances.
There are a fair number of Asian women who have similar complaints about white men.
Not all Asians have “slanted eyes.” There are certain Caucasians who have a slanted eye look.
I’m sure it could be a fetish or curiosity. But it’s not just about the looks, my current girlfriend is American but with an Irish history and is smoking hot, blistering fine. I don’t really compare her to the asian women I find myself attracted to. For me, the soft skin, and hair along with the respectful attitudes, and conservative natures present an image of a good mate. And that’s the truth.
I am an Asian woman in her mid-forties and would like to offer my experiences which may explain why I prefer dating white men.
I found Asian men (growing up in Hawaii) to be very “samurai” in their attitude. They want to be revered and believe themselves to be superior. They want to be taken care of in every way. They are not very independent, like I found white men to be. For example, every Asian (Japanese) guy I broke up with went back home to live with mom and dad. To be cared for by mom, i.e., cooking, cleaning, laundry, etc. I, on the other hand, stayed and supported myself in my own apartment.
So my preference, if you will, was born partially out of my experiences that Asian men just want to sit back and be taken care of. Who wants to marry a child? I want a partner that will recognize me as his equal and respect me for what I can bring to the table….not what is expected of me as a woman.
And I honestly do find white men, physically more attractive than most Asian men.
I am from Kazakhstan. We have white fetish there. Native Kazakh men, who are central asians, are considered a superior race. We sleep wit white (russian, ukranian, belorussian) female and marry our own race. Chingiz khan, who exploited white race, lives in our hearts!!!
From a personal standpoint, I think we (white guys) are into asian women because our culture is boring to us. Asian women are exciting because more often than not we know the least about them.
I can’t argue the fact that asian women are sexy, but I didn’t think so when I was young. In fact, I really didn’t find asian women physically attractive until I dated my second girlfriend who happened to be asian.. And then that was reinforced strongly in my 4th relationship when I was old enough to participate in “adult activities.”
So let’s lose the white women and asian men, and make a better America.
(Kidding!)
After reading some of the above posts I can say..
1 - I dated a middle/lower class asian woman, and she certainly wasn’t after my money. In fact, she spent a lot more on me than I did on her.
2 - I doubt that listing off stereotypes is in any way helpful… Somehow I’m going to guess that people looking to date inter racially aren’t concerned with the stereotypes associated with the target of their affection.
3 - This is a quote by asianmale:
“some Asian girls want to be accepted by mainstream society, so they marry white. But realize they are just faking to be someone who they are not.”
Maybe the reason your women come to us is because you’re living in World War II, Mr. Tojo.
The bottom line is people have personal preferences. Some people like chubby people, some like skin and bones, some like black, some like white, some like 18 and some like 81. There’s no real reason you can give for one racial group like another racial group, because each group is made up of individuals very different from one another.
Asian women attractive? ?As IF!
At the best, maybe 0.1% of asian women can be called moderately attractive.
The rest are:
- Short
- No bum or breasts
- flat faced
- flat nosed
- no eyes
- black oily hair
How can you even start to compare this to tall, fit, nice bottomed white women with a variety of hair and eye colours…why are nearly all models white? duh!
Asian women are at the bottom of the food chain and they know it.
Asian women tried to boost their image claiming to be exotic and trying to create some mystery about their culture but at the end of the day they are just greedy, materialistic, dirty, gold-digging white -wannabes.
They are obsessed with cleansing their genetics of asian traits - why else are they desperate to have half-cast babies. Self-hate.
If a white guy wants an asian women, he should just go to Asia, the women will line up down the street in millions dying for him.
Only the low-quality white men go for asian women. No high-profile man would go for an asian women - unless of course he is 60 and she is 16!
How sad, we are still stuck in the what colour is your knickers stage.
Sexual and mating preference is pre-determined. Why get angry about an Asian woman wanting to be with a white man.
She probably grew up watching McGiver and the many other American tv series that influences her present choices.
I would be afraid to be seen with a white guy in public. The Asian public scrutinizes and labels us.
Better just be single and watch more American tv series.
It’s amazing the fantasy world some of you men live in. Especially Kazakh, You come from a piss poor, goat screwing country, where you could only get the most desperate of white women. Believe me you would not score in my country at all. And by the way those are sheep your having sex with not white women.
In the uk, we really dont have many chinese, koreans, or japanese people like u do in the usa. Most white guys, like me, married to asians from thailand or filipines (mail order brides if u wanna call it that - dont bother me)
Anyway, I think most asian male animosity is directed towards white men stealing the “white” asian women i.e chinese, koreans, japanese. I think asian men get more worked up about white guys walking around with “Lucy Lui lookalikes” than they do with those going round with dark filipinas or thais.
Just like white guys get more worked up about black men with blondes than they do about brunettes. I guess its kinda like rubbing salt into the wound.
As a white male who has been interested in more than one Asian girl, I can say that it has nothing to do with submissiveness. Personally, as someone who notices eyes first in a girl, I just happen to think that most asian girls have pretty eyes. But I think a big part of it is the ‘exotic’ factor. Asian girls are rare and interesting to white men. Interestingly, my asian friends have said that they prefer white girls. Also, asian girls seem to be more arts oriented or intellectual (ON AVERAGE) than the white girls I’ve met.
Also, I find “asianmale’s” comments offensive, in that he assumes that asian girls date other races because they have low self esteem and want to be white. Basically, he is saying that asian girls are supposed to date asian men. Blatant racism. Why should race matter at all?
Andriy has made the most excellent post. Some proof to his point is that Asian women in more developed Asian countries don’t prefer white men. Sure there are many that do, but its nothing like in the US because the women have Asian male celebrities. The Asian women that grow up in the US go to school watching Brad Pitt and the high school football quarterbacks be perceived as the ideal male.
Funny how 90% of dudes (mostly white) refer to themselves as “alpha” and “above average looking”.
I can guarantee most of you aren’t “above average” looking nor alpha.
Further to my original post, although i married a filipina i met on a website it wasnt out of desperation coz i couldnt date a white woman. I dated loads of white women but the truth is asian women are generally much easier to get along with than white women.
White women from my experience have got some serious anger/attitude issues which u dont find in asian women. well not yet anyway. Plus I think asian women are generally better looking on average and present themselves better. Asian guys should think they are lucky they got attractive women instead of begruding a few white guys marrying their women.
I’m a white male and I prefer Asian women over all other races!
It’s because when I see an Asian woman my heart flutters and my stomach fills with butterfly’s. They are extremely beautiful… like a gorgeous work of art.
And white women on the other hand… Dominate their man until they are quivering little babies, demand gifts & flowers all the time to “show they love them”. They also play games with the mans mind, always fucking with them!
We are sick and tired of how western society has done a 180 and now we have become the women!!
We want a relationship that is EQUAL!!!
because all white women think they are models, are generally fat and/or have strange body shapes, have huge ego’s, no manners, and terrible taste in food, art and music. yea thats pretty much it.
Rubbish! Of course not all white women think they’re models. You’re obviously mixing with a weird set of people. And are you insinuating that asian women have better taste in art, food etc? Rubbish again! Asian women have no better sense of art, food, et al than caucasion women.
Problem with the Asian women is that they too often end up with ”old” caucasian men, as they’re the only women these geezers can get to go with them. They’re usually with the old men for they’re money.
Asian women also have a reputation for being ”easy”. And latching on to other womens’ boyfriends and husbands. They deserve to have THAT done to THEM!
Being a mid-twenties European white guy with a strong preference for East Asian girls I find it’s true that some white males that go with Asians are not good looking, however this seems to change as there are more and more white guys going after Asian girls but Asian girls generally are not so much attracted to white males now - maybe it’s because the WM is losing the alpha male position in the world, it’s the Asian millennium after all. While not an egomaniac I also consider myself above average looking since I got plenty of attention from white women, even more so than in Japan. In Asia it’s obvious also that many of the women have had horrible experiences with WMs (easy to tell just how they look at you) and judging from some of the obviously nasty and trashy white guys there I’m not surprised. Would be great if Asian guys would go after caucasian girls more, more balance and more beautiful kids would be good.
Harvard MBA’s don’t know shiieeet. You jump to rash conclusions buddy.
There are no logical nor intelligent ways you segment the “white guy/Asian girl” phenomenon.
They fantasize that a White man like your husband will give them a beautiful White baby like the one you had with him. They desperately hide from the fact that these gorgeous White children can only come from 2 White parents. We have lots of talk about White women hating Asian women, but the truth is the Asian women very much resent White women, because only you can give a White man that gorgeous White baby. In terms of truly assisting a White man in continuing his genetic lineage the White woman trumps the Asian every time, be it in looks, creativity or intelligence of the potential offspring. Asian women are furious about this and can act very cold to White women as they ogle your man. In their pathetic jealousy they willfully refuse to understand that Asian women give white men Asian babies, that white men don’t give Asian women white babies. When I was a translator I used to see far too many lost white boys in Asia who had knocked up an Asian, often by accident. They had gotten caught up in some Asian girl’s “I’m having a white baby” fantasy, which is exactly that, only a dream. The foolish guy was stuck with the awful consequences–a very Asian-looking baby, his genes barely if at all apparent. He had terminated his own genetic legacy to spawn a Mongoloid. Just as with wf/bm mixing, there are no winners in af/wm procreation, only losers, especially the poor mixed kids. Asian women need to give up these delusions that they can give birth to nordic babies by hooking up with a White man. By pushing their Asian genes into our White gene pool they only destroy the very features they so covet. They need to get some pride already and find their own men in Asia once again.
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1) The men saying that Asian women are more obedient, more attractive etc…you do realize that you have a fetish, and your opinions don’t really help with the topic?
2) The only reason some of you are bashing white women is that you obviously had some bad experiences in the past…so if you want to contribute, then you need to realize you can’t stereotype a whole race of women. Same goes for those bashing Asian women.
3) There are just as many white men who don’t feel any physical attraction for Asian females, but of course they wouldn’t feel the need to post here.
4)Also, cory, your “most white women are overweight” statement is not true. Again,you just sound bitter.
5)White men are more controlling than Asian men - they make a big deal about women dating outside their race. Asian men don’t mind as much. Or do they?
I live and work in China. I am white and I must say that Chinese guys are very ugly. They look like jungle monkeys and they act the role. They are sexist, racist, uncivilized jungle chimps. Moreover, I belong to a fitness club here in China and I must state that Chinese men do have very small penises. The pubic hair is often longer than their penises and they have very small testicles.
I am an Asian man and this is my point of view:
White men have become submissive and self-hating of their masculinity due to being raised under White feminist ideology. White men date Asian women as a release from the opinionated, loud and domineering White woman.
Asian women are raised under patriarchal Asian culture, making them quiet, submissive and self-effacing. Asian women date White men to have a more gender-neutral relationship where they don’t have to play the female role they are expected to play with Asian men.
Believing that Asian women are ‘’submissive” is a myth - pure myth. They may ”appear” to be submissive but once they get their man, then it’s THEY who usually rule the roost. Older, middle-aged white men like to believe that they’re still studs (although Viagra doesn’t mix well with hypertensive meds), so they go with these younger Asian women. And the women are more than likely looking for a comfortable life and perhaps being left something in the poor guy’s will. They’re certainly not with these older men for a great sex life, or because they’re in love!
Still, if men want to go with Asian women because they apparently are under the impression that they ARE submissive, then so be it. Let’s hope they will eventually learn what they’re getting into.
I am a Filipina American and just wanted to post my own view after reading different comments here from people of different background. First, not all Asian women fall for old, bald, fat, or ugly white guy and not everyone goes for the guy’s money. Many Asians who were born or raised in western countries think different from Asian women who lives in Asia for the fact that there is a culture difference and economic factors too. When an Asian woman is very attractive, intelligent, and has her own money, there is a low chance that she will go for someone who is over twenty years older, not very attractive, or already divorce unless maybe, there is a slight chance that she really fell in love with that man. Now look at other women, black, white, Latina, or even mix races. If these women were good looking or even below average looking, possibly poor and uneducated, would not they consider marrying or dating someone who might be older too and could actually support them? Do not generalize Asian women as the kind who only go for white men because of the looks or money. I have lived in CA, TX, Europe, and have travelled around the world due to the fact I am also in the military and I can tell you personnally that I do not find all white men attractive even though I frequently get hit on or ask out by both white and black men.
I am 5′ 7″ tall, taller than average Asian girls, have dark brown eyes, long black hair, and I work out because I like to stay in good shape. And contrary to what most people believe, I love my brown skin and even go to tanning salons to get the perfect bronze look. Not all Asian women bleach their skin and love to look like a wash out person with no melanin :-)….. Sorry. If a white man ask me out and I happen to like him, I will go out with him but I would not marry him just because he is white. He has to meet my standards too such as being a kind, intelligent, sincere, and thoughtful person. And yes, I have to be attractive to him too especially if that person will be my husband.
I shake my head at you white man worshiping Asian sellout whores on here making excuses for your self hate and white male lust. “They are childish, I like hapa babies”. You dirty white man loving slaves . Just say you hate yourself and want to be white.
Only a idiot would think all Asian men behave a certain way, yet you whores like that idiot from Hawaii make excuses about her loser Japanese man as if no white men are losers. You’re just a mule riding tramp that would kill to be blond. You disgust me.
I’m filipino looking for butt ugly woman to love. If that’s you send me an email.
I am an atypical Asian-American woman, physically and personality-wise. I am 75% Thai, 25% Fr. Can. I am 5′10″ tall, 38DD-26-36. I was a model in high school and college. For the longest time, I had always wanted to date an Asian man, and even thought of marrying an Asian man, but Asian men never seemed to be attracted to me the way white men are. So I ended up dating white men, black men, all kinds of men–but no Asian men ever showed any interest in me! Are Asian men only interested in petite, delicate Asian beauty? I feel like I missed out a little bit, but it doesn’t really bother me. I ended up marrying a wonderful man, who happens to be white, 6′4″, blonde and blue-eyed, and we have a beautiful baby. I just found it weird that Asian men never seemed attracted to me, when men of all other ethnic groups were really into me!
Alright, lets cut the crap here! I have been with a Americanized Thai/Chinese girl for 17 years, almost half my life, married for 11 years. I was dating her before it was “cool” to have an Asian girlfriend (Pre-Lucy Liu), before half a million expats invaded China, starting this Asian women frenzy. She is Masters level education, so am I. She is beautiful, 9 out of 10 in USA eyes. In Asia, she is average. This being your first lesson. Go research what physical beauty is supposed to look like universally. When I was in Thailand, I was stunned to see so many beautiful petitie women, that made my girl seem average. Made me feel kinda dumb, like buying a trendy new car and having a cooler one come out a month later. (Her personality and intelligence make the package 10 out of 10). Dude, scope out the scene, calibrate yourself to what hot is in Asia, and be picky about what you chase. How she was raised is the second lesson. If raised overseas, forget it, you are wasting your time, woman will make you FkN crazy. They will not plug into USA culture, fashion, expectations, habits, customs, interior design. She will do the rule the roost thing all the time, and do stupid shit, like collect plastic containers, stupid dolls, save disgusting smelling food in jars, or wear clothes that clash big time. American raised asian women are highly desireable, like mine, BUT, you better think about the situation real damn hard first. If daddy is rich, she is most likely a spoiled brat and lazy, and can lite up a credit card like Paris Hilton. Rich daddy wants to cut the cunt off, and dump her to your payroll fool! If daddy owns a dry cleaner or restaurant, run the opposite direction until you vomit! The whole family is enslaved to the business, that means you too dumbass! I don’t even want to talk about raising kids, that is a disaster for discipline and religion, I have horribly underestimated the difficulty of raising mixed culture children. Clingy-ness is a big problem, Asian women latch on and won’t let go. Gives a new meaning to ball n chain. Woman gets upset if I go to the grocery store without telling her.
Most important lesson of all. Sex. What you see on the internet is a total joke, 1 of 2000 asian women act in a lewd manner because they enjoy it (calibration USA white girls are 1 of 40). Educated Asian women, which are the ones you want, because they work hard and pull a paycheck, are damn fickle about sex. If you want hardcore sex from Pattaya street trash, well, I pity you, and her, cause it won’t last, assuming you can even find one of those girls. Educated asian women do not have nearly the naughty streak white women have. Dark asian complexion = trash. White complexion = beauty. Take a second look at those Asian advertizements, have you ever seen an asian women without bleach white skin? Japanese women are probably on average, the least good looking. Many Japanese women have proportional disfigurements, like short bow legs, stumpy arms, ugly fingers, or messed up teeth. The hybrid ethnicity regions are best for beauty genes. Northern Thailand, Northeast india, Malaysia, transitional culture areas of China. You will find fewer turnip calved women, and fewer fat upper arms.
An Asian women with an education, attractive proportions, slim figure, B Size breasts, butt NOT flat, legs straight, you besta ask her out!
My lady is loyal, which is probably true for other Asian women the farther you are away from Los Angeles. Wife and I have spent a lot of time in Thailand. We have four beautiful children, no joke, model agency quality. Final lesson, Asian women can pop out kids and recover to an attractive state, like size six tube dress. White cows will in most cases, never recover from pregnancy. Warning, not all half kids are cute! My observation is about 1 out of 5 half kids are normal looking, 4 of 5 just look wierd. I have been blessed, German/Chinese/Thai seems to be an awesome mix. Looking, back, kids screwed up the whole deal, I really had it great until we had kids, she took awesome care of me, sex was frequent and awesome, and the guys were all jealous. Rule of thumb: With each kid, halve her attention to you. So, I am at one sixteenth, and it FkN sucks! I took better care of myself as a bachelor. Now we just tow around four kids in a mixed cultural mess that is damn near impossible to manage, everyone just laughs at us now (sure as hell don’t help). Next phase of the disaster is the cultural issue of aging Asian in-laws moving in. Someone forgot to post the sign to asian imigrants that old folks get sent to nursing homes in the USA, this ain’t traditional China!
Give the asian guys a break, especially the USA born ones, they will be making up the difference and getting the white girls, making the exact same mistakes the White guys are making with asian women!
After reading all of the comments posted here, I’ve come to one conclusion- 8/10 of you are unbelievably narrow minded and outrageously sexist. I’m 100% asian (Chinese and some Viet, maybe some Thai), but born and raised in America. Not all asians marry old, fat, white guys for money- I know I certainly wouldn’t. I myself have been accepted into an outstanding university on the east coast with set plans for the rest of my life. However, I’ve also known personally sluts like some have described- mean, desperate, unattractive women that go for wealthy old men who couldn’t find a good person worth anything.
And just to clear up a few things:
1) Not all asian women are ugly, have flat faces, slanty/tiny eyes, and no boobs or bum. Take my mother for example. 100% asian with the highest cheekbones you’ve ever seen and a straight nose. Add in enormous eyes and other delicate features and you have her. And people ask me if I’m mixed all the time. (Apparently I’ve inherited most of my features from my mother- except for my lightlight honey brown eyes and weirdly light hair. No idea where those came from)
2) Not all asian women are submissive, nonthreatening servant-like housewives. Nor are we domineering, overbearing or anything of the sort. Not to say that there are not people like this that exist. I’m just saying that most of us aren’t. You people are thinking at the ends of the spectrum here… However I wasn’t exactly raised in China so…
3) The majority of asian women who marry white guys are NOT gold-diggers. One of my close friends (asian) married another one of my good friends (american with euro. background) a little while back and are so unbelievably in love it’s almost sickening. They’re expecting a baby girl soon and I’m sure she’s going to be adorable.
Keep in mind that I’m not saying there are NOT people like some have mentioned in previous posts. Hell, and pardon my french, I’ve known this one lady from mainland China and she was the most overbearing, ANNOYING, loud, ugly lady I have ever had the pleasure of knowing.
I think the reason asian women (and I’m talking about the hardcore asians, the raised in China type. Not the ABC’s) tend to go for white men is because… they just feel safer. Oriental culture is really pro-men. I’ve known families that just kept pumping out the kids (and even giving some away) until the wife could give her husband a son. And because of the whole culture thing, many guys have grown up to think that women are inferior; and the women have begun to think that way too. So with a white guy (who, for the most part, have been taught manners and proper etiquette should be used when seeing a lady) asian women feel less pressure to conform to the means of the society they know.
And for us ABC’s, I guess white guys are just easier to relate to (except for the asian guys born here in the US). They’re just also more attractive for the most part- or at least average looking. It’s hard to find a really good looking asian guy who hasn’t let it get to his head. (Because there’s so few of them, LOL)
So… yeaup. (:
Susan is a racist
I never really understood this whole exotic/sexual thing about Asian women. If anything it’s the opposite.
The media influences so many things and creates false perceptions. For example in the USA there is the false perception that Asian men are not masculine. Whereas if you go to places like China (not dominated by Western media) it seems like the men have a higher level of self-esteem. Really people are people and each ethnic group has all different kinds of people. As incomes even out across the globe I think a lot of this stuff will go away over time.
Asian guys are feminine with small equipment.
White girls are stroppy, demanding and lazy.
Asian girls are feminine, caring and loyal.
White guys are smart.
– do the math, its a match made in heaven.
White girls don’t stand a chance, evolution will slowly wipe them out.
Michael, I assume you refer to Asian women from India.
Re your opinion of ”white women”. Sounds like you mix with a weird crowd of people. White women come in all different shades and sizes, by the way. Just as Italian or Spanish women don’t particularly resemble Scandinavian women. All are absolutely beautiful, in their own way.
If you think that evolution (what a ridiculous idea) will eventually wipe white women out, then you need to think again. Remember - you’re the one with the problem with white women. I can assure you that that’s ”your” problem. Deal with it. Let the many wonderful men who love and worship white women be happy with them.
Asian women are really no different from other women. They come in all different shades and sizes, too. Indian women are the most beautiful Asian women in my opinion. What’s more, they’re not a ”dime-a-dozen” as are most of the South-East Asian kind you probably refer to (Chinese, Korean, Thai etc.) Japanese women are, in my opinion, the best of the crop when it comes to South-East Asian womanhood, in every respect.
Just thought of something. Israeli women are absolutely gorgeous. Probably because there is a mix of different cultures and ethnic backgrounds there.
Keep smilin’ …..
Hair is an asian woman’s existence. Investigate what you are getting in an Asian girl, since hair only comes in one color, black, you would be doing yourself a favor to undertand what crappy asian hair genes, and stunning hot hair really mean. Some asian women start to turn gray really young, like early twenties. Be sure to check on parents aunts and uncles. I found out later, it is a hereditary issue. Use your spy eye on the whole families’ hair dye routine, watch what to look for, like white roots, thinning hair on the women. My girl had awesome hair, then by the time she is 34, half is gray. She dyes her hair once a month, the hair texture and quality has gone coarse and rough. Her hair basicly went from hot to not. Are you shallow enough to ditch a girl for this? I am not, but I can tell you it is an annoying expensive problem to deal with once a month, so you end up dying her hair for her to save money. Heaven forbid you get caught looking at a younger asian woman’s hair while with your self conscious woman!
i do not undersand why u guys think asin means only chinease or japanease.asia is a cotinent not country.
in fact, these people are east asian.
all asian women do not like white guys. in asia there are lots of nations and colors.
so u have to write ur comments carefully.
Ok that article was full of B.S. “Asian women prefer white guys because white guys prefer Asian women?” Gimmie a break. Asian women prefer white guys because the media is saturated with them. White culture and western culture is the predominant culture on the planet.
Now, you’re not saying your article is racist yet you implied that guy 1 is asian and average looking, with an average career and intelligence and guy 2, who is white is smarter, more good looking, with a better career?
Also you made the most stupid comment of going for chicks who love martial arts movies, as if the only connections between an Asian man or Asian woman (or even non-Asian woman) would be martial arts? This is from a HARVARD MBA?
Let’s get down to the real issue of “Why” again. As mentioned before, western society and culture has the most influence and power in this country and on the planet. The media determines what the majority of the people determine as sexy and desirable.
If the media decides that black people are desirable and sexy, as it has a lot more in current times than once was in the past (which the media in this country did portray blacks as desirable 70 to 80 years ago), then they will sway public opinion to believe so also.
However, still the dominant faces seen as sexy and desirable in the media are still white males and females. How many Asian male faces do you see in the media that are marketed in a sexy way, such as in perfume commercials or cologne commercials or underwear? Almost none. The media has not deemed Asian male look as something marketable in the realm of desirability. However, Asian females have been marketed in such a way, but much less than white females.
The more exposure to western media will prompt any female, Asian or not, to desire what the media tells them is desirable, as the same with males. It is about power and influence and the media communicates this influence. If you go into a rural area in China with no western influence whatsoever, I highly doubt the females will prefer white men.
However, if you were raised in a place in which all you see is white faces on TV or in magazines with the nice houses, nice families, nice cars, desirable good-looking men or women, you’re going to choose what you’re influenced by.
Post note: Michael’s lame post on the matter just proved to me that not ALL “white men are smart.”
The people here should watch “The Slanted Screen”, it was a documentary on pbs. Originally asian men were very popular with white women. Then jealous insecure white men started bashing asian men in the media with propaganda.
What I don’t understand is with what’s the attraction between Asian women with White males….a race that basically invented the 50% divorce rate.
@asianmale and the rest of you random haters
ouch…must you be so harsh about the stereotypes…? bitter much…?
i’m a Filipina, and a college girl. and no, i don’t prefer white men over all other men. i just happen to live in a land-locked state, so unfortunately i have only dated 2 asian males out of 5.
and i LIKE being asian. i actually PREFER asian men. unfortunately, i go to a smaller college campus, so no decent, single asian boys in sight. i took a few short trips to Seattle this year, and i was reeling from the sea of asians–many of whom i found attractive.
(but i don’t place asians at the top of the looks pyramid—i think mixed-blood people are the best. well, the mixes aren’t always good, but when they are, they outstrip most pure-blooded beauties…)
as to other stereotypes–i actually go for the feminized masculinity, the smooth honey complexions, the general hairlessness, the dark eyes, the keen intelligence. i don’t like obvious musculature. don’t bash the non-monstrous equipment—it’s nice not to bleed or hiss in pain when you just want to have fun…and i don’t like super-tall men, white or otherwise. i don’t always like feeling puny, and i hate when my partner has to bend down so much to kiss me. a good height is 5′ 9″, just enough so i’m tucked under his chin. plus, white men tend to bore or disgust me. that’s America for you…
and guess what…? my close friends are are a good mix of asian and non-asian, and they go for pretty asian men too.
ok, so i fit some of the stereotypes–i’m 5′ 0″, have honey skin that deepens under the desert sun unless i’m careful. but i don’t bleach. i have long black hair to my waist, and dark brown eyes behind glasses, and a smile that has never needed braces. i’m petite, slender at 106 lbs, to the point of frailty, even. in the curves category, i’m proportionate to my size, but not lacking. and i can pass for 14.
i’m shy, quiet amongst strangers, loving and loyal. but it’s not a mask. it’s me, how i am also to my female friends, more so even. i like feeling safe and protected, but so do most girls. i don’t go out of my way to be “cute” except for my closest friends. i don’t always dress glamorously, don’t spend hours doing my hair or makeup. i’m a fashionista when the whim strikes me, not every waking moment.
and so what if i’m a sub in bed…? someone i know actually figured me for a dom, given my upbringing. i don’t mind contradicting general assumptions.
but, miracle of miracles, i don’t attract white men in droves. besides nerds who bury themselves in their stereotype.
i’m classified as “cute” or “pretty”. one time a male (who i wasn’t dating) called me “hot”, i was speechless for a good five minutes, and i demanded that he stop teasing me. to this day i don’t really believe him. i’m childlike, perpetual jail-bait, and will probably be carded until i’m 40.
that’s not what men are looking for, not the general male populace. men want women, not little girls. why go for the little asian girl when you can woo the non-asian bombshell a few feet away…?
so what if some white men go for asian girls, and some asian girls go for white men? they also go for other races. i had a thing for a spanish boy once, but it was because he was cute, talented, and spoke well.
we asian women are all different. Just as all other women, and all men, are different.
“These fetishes represent a market inefficiency; the British loser in “Love Actually” would have no chance at bedding a single attractive woman in his native England, let alone three. Thanks to the White Guy Asian Fetish (”WGAF”), even unattractive Asian women have a chance to score a significant other or mate.”
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Cause even low-status, ‘unattractive’ White guys can score with Asian girls
[…] No non-fatty white girlfriend would tolerate such nauseating beta shit for long. His ass would be dumped as soon as the bartender winked at her. Is it any wonder guys like this hone in on Asian girls? I don’t blame them. With the Asian girlfriend, they get to be all the beta they can be, without fear of reprisal. And they don’t have to settle for a fat chick. […]
http://roissy.wordpress.com/2008/12/15/dont-be-this/
Your Guy #1 and Guy #2 test proves nothing. Of course most women are going to jump for Guy #2, not just Asian women. The real test is when Guy #1 and Guy #2 are equally average. Guy #1 just happens to be Asian and Guy #2 just happens to be white. Then by and large most Asian women will prefer guy #1.
Not that it matters. Most women will go out with the guy who does the asking first, be it Guy #1 or Guy #2. Either that or she’ll reject both Guy #1 and Guy #2 and go out with Guy #3 who’s actually good-looking, smart, and has a good career.
I am a European guy that likes pretty girls that like me. It just so happens that most of the girls that like me are Chinese. All race have pretty girls, I go for Chinese girl because they like me. That simple.
Wow…I didn’t know that Caucasian men have such high regard for Asian women ;p Well, I have always been attracted to Caucasian men, not because I think that they’re better than Asian guys, but because if i were to ever ever ever have kids, I’d like them to be good looking. Having grown up alongside Hollywood films & western media representations, it is quite natural for me to develop a liking for the Caucasian looks. However, I find that not many Caucasian men have the family-loving qualities that Asian men have - ie, it is extremely easy for me to get a Caucasian date, but not so easy to find someone who wants a soul mate
“My advice: Try to exploit market inefficiencies and go for chicks who dig martial arts movies. Do you think Jackie Chan or Jet Li ever lacks for babes?”
what the fuck?
are you really asian?
you’re a typical educated person with no real sense of reality.
you’re a white-washed idiot who doesn’t know what being asian is all about.
Tom, I apologize if my comments have hurted your feelings. I was merely voicing a personal preference. As I have mentioned earliers, I do not think that Caucasian guys are better than Asian guys. In fact, I found that ‘more’ Asian guys positive qualities that make them a much better partner. But I find these physical traits (which I like) more common among Caucasian guys - height (more than 5′ 10″), large deep set eyes, high nose bridge, strong arms, toned physique - hence, I find Caucasian guys to be more sexually appealing. Personality-wise, I do know many Asian guys who are better individuals compared to Caucasian guys, and they’re all my good friends. But…there’s no physical attraction. I guess I should re-emphasize that not all girls think/feel the same way:) FYI, I do also have Caucasian girl friends who date Indian & Chinese guys
White women are also very up-their-own-asses. Asian women are generally more down to Earth, except when they go to clubs in Western cities that are more popular with Asian people, in which case, they’re just as snooty and up themselves as white women.
White women walk in to a nightclub and no matter how fugly they are, will only give time to the guy they have singled out as the hottest in the club. As for the hot white women? Well, they just have this super, unrealistic expectation of men and always end up fucking some total douchebag every week, bitching for days after that he is a total douche to that lame-ass guy (me) who provides her with an audience in the vein attempt she will appreciate me after how nice I have been to her for years and she acknowledges that BUT STILL GOES OUT NEXT WEEK AND FUCKS A RANDOM DOUCHEBAG!!!!!
…ahem….
…long story short…this cycle will continue for some time - preppy white girl in love with herself will go through cycle of going for douche bags until she’s in her late 20s and finally realizes that all the cool, modest down-to-Earth white guys are with Asian girls because they appreciated them at the time.
As for Asian guys? They’ll get the white girls in their late 20s - they’re still hot, have lots of sexual experience and have wised up from their former idiot years. I suppose if you don’t mind hanging around, they are the ultimate winners.
…but I’m not bitter…not bitter, cynical or pessimistic (or drunk whilst typing this) at all….AT ALL…….I promise.
P.S. I’m drunk.
Asian women prefer white men because horny white men are running to Asian country by the hundreds of thousands to get laid by Asian whores.
These white men are aggressive and have the $$ looking for a wild time while the Asian women are gold diggers, infatuated with the western culture and willing to spread their legs to be apart of the whole experience.
Asian women have no dignity, they have no self worth.. all they think about is money/materials and love being courted and pampered by rich white men.
There is no other culture that is more money hungry than the Asian females and there is no other cultures that have men running to in droves to get laid in exchange for money other than Asia.
Don’t buy into all this hype that Asian women don’t like Asian guys because they are short and skinny either. Asian women will fall all over a short skinny white men over a tall Asian guy the majority of the time because they have this false sense of excitement they feel western cultures offer them.
Oh and white guys trump Asian guys in the jeans by a landslide. Deny it all ya want! Haha!
FunnyAsians - I absolutely agree with you. FINALLY another person who has the guts and courage to speak the truth.
I live in quite a high-end area on the west coast of the USA and I see SO MANY caucasian men with Asian women (even unattractive ones). Little do they know what’s in store for them. The asian ladies (especially the Chinese and koreans) really RULE THE ROOST once they’re married. And yes, many of them DO go for $$$. A lot of the older, middle-aged caucasian men like the fact that they can perhaps get a younger woman (to have sex with), little realizing that these asian women (or girls) are just with them for their $$$!! Poor guys - it really is very pathetic, as these ladies will more than likely take them for every last dime they’ve got.
Mind you, I don’t put Indian or japanese women in this catgegory at all. They are much more classy, educated, and live by a higher standard of morals. These are the asian women I really admire.
I used to own a travel agency and there were always these pervert old men looking to go on sex tours to the orient. Quite sickening. Most of them were on hypertension meds, and THEY DON’T MIX WITH VIAGRA!! These tours mostly dealt in taking groups of men to Thailand. That country has an extra special reputation when it comes to prostitution!
Most Asian girls I see with gwailo boyfriends are average looking at best. Ive lived in China, Taiwan, Australia an that seems to be the case.
Those below-average looking asian girls dont have many decent asian guys after them (the ones that know how to play the game and got dosh) so therefore are more receptive to foreigners.
Take note when you see an asian girl with a white/black/indian guy next time and see for yourself.
OK HERES THE REAL DEAL.
After skimming through all the comments I see that this whole thing about submissiveness, culture is all b.s. This harvard mba whatever guy has no idea what he’s talking about clearly.
I’m a 18 years old female Asian attending UCLA and I’m currently dating a white guy. I’ve dated both white and Asian guys. I have no preference or “fetish” for either race. I don’t prefer white guys nor do i prefer Asian guys. There’s no “phenomenon” or ‘fetch’, it is solely based on YOUR preference, what YOUR attracted to.
My take: Two main things that attract people to other people: physical looks and inner personality. If I see a smokin hot Asian guy with a sweet personality of course I would go for him. Likewise if I see a bangin hot white guy whose chill and laid back i would go for him as well. There’s hot Asian and white guys in this world, but i personally just see more hot white guy. And i’m pretty sure that asian women see a lot more attractive white guys then asian men. i’ve been to asia okay i’ve seen whats up and how 1 in 1000 guys are cute. i truly believe thats the reason that asian girls go for white guys. cause there are just more cuter ones. white guys are generally bigger, buffer, tanner, gorgeous eyes, strong, and have a gorgeous facial feature. And I don’t want to be discriminating but I just don’t find myself being attracted physically to any other races (thus one out of the two components that create attraction is left out). That’s my personal preference. trust me i’ve been through 4 years of high school recently and all my friends (who are asian girls) all go for both races. theres no preference.
to the people that say that they date exclusively white/ asians/whatever: i’m sorry if you had a bad experience with that particularly race or maybe its your preference,idk.
To the asian guys: dude don’t worry about the whole “omg the white guys are stealing all our asian girls”. i hate to break it to you, but you probably jus never had game in the first place. trust me if you were hella cute or rich you wouldn’t be worried about that in the first place. trust me there’s plenty of asian girls to go around. like the harvard mba guy said do you think “Jackie Chan or Jet Li ever lacks for babes.” Umm his whole thing about digging martial arts watever is bogus. it’s cause jackie chan and jet li are successful actors/ movie stars…money=honeys left and right, cause theres just some gold diggers in life you get it thru your head?
To the asian guys who wants to get white girls: okay so my friend is asian he’s buff and good looking. he likes the white women. he gets the white women. you guys who WANTS to get white women but can’t get any…well i’m sorry but my same answer is that you probably just don’t have enough game/looks/personality to win over a white chick.
Please stop assuming Asian women are gold digging whores. It’s insulting. It’s also misinformed.
From Wikipedia under “Asian American” - “Overall, Asian Americans have the second lowest poverty rate after non Hispanic whites.[2] and the highest educational attainment levels, median household income,[3] and median personal income[4] of any racial demographic in the nation.
According to the 2005 Current Population Survey Annual Social and Economic Supplement, Asian American households had the highest median income at $57,518.”
So, instead of making racist assumptions about promiscuity and mercenary attributes, why don’t you make friends with an Asian woman. And get to know her strict parents who forbid loose behavior but value hard work and education. The above numbers don’t lie…
Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it!
Let there be love!
Many who wrote here stereotype people in one way or another. Dividing humanity on the basis of black, white, yellow, rich, poor, weak, strong, master, slaves, achieves nothing but promotes racism, sexism and ageism. If people can’t stand the color differences, then let us encourage more interracial marriages, so that soon all people will be mainstreamed in color – ruddy complexion. No more black and no more white. Lacking in melanin is nothing to be proud of. You get sunburn, freckles and a whole lot more wrinkles. People are meant to be loving, mixing and mingling with one another, but we chose to segregate and inbreed, resulting in the extreme color of black and white that we have today. The first humans originally came with brown eyes and ruddy complexion with the complete genetic cocktail that enables them to produce offspring of all skin tone, eye and hair color variations. Once, again, segregation and inbreeding is the culprit behind the world’s color and feature problems.
In regards to why white men prefer Asian women. Obviously, there will be different answers for different people. Some people do it for bad reasons. Some people do it for good reasons. Some can’t find love in their own race so they find it elsewhere. Some prefer to mix/mingle and take adventures. Some are just fascinated with different people. The same applies to why Asian women prefer dating Caucasian men. It is very much an individual thing. Thus, generalization and stereotyping is neither helpful nor intelligent.
Now, to the “Proud To Be White” woman who wrote with such intense passion of hate and bitterness. You are welcomed to be proud of your ethnicity, just as I am proud of mine. I feel sorry for you. My advice is: be cool, be calm, and above all, be kind. This may be your only hope of keeping your man in your bed for longer. Stop looking down on other people just because they come from a poorer country. Not all of us who come from the poor countries of South East Asia are whores. A greater multitude of us are honest, self respecting people. Having been through hardships in life, if anything, gave us more strength of character and the appreciation for what is truly good in life.
Don’t judge the fallen girls either. Should the table turn one day, you’ll probably find yourself on your sore knees sucking your 4” Chinese boss’ cocks for less than those Thai girls. Many of these girls are caught in circumstances that are beyond their control. Many chose to sacrifice everything, including their pride and dignity in order to help save the lives of their family members for whatever reason. If you think carefully, Western women’s lifestyle is not so different to these poor, fallen girls of Asia since so many of you fornicates with multiple sex partners and for less reason than these girls.
And get off your high horse woman. Your blue eyed, white skin babies may be adorable, but no more adorable then my enormous deep-brown eyed, tan skin baby. Get your facts straight too. You White Supremists aren’t the only ones who can produce blue eyed babies. Half-cast babies can come in blue eyes! We have one right here in our family circle. He’s 5 now, fully white skin and light brown hair. If you think it’s difficult now to find half cast people with varying eye and hair color, just wait a few more generations, these half-cast children’s children will produce a more mainstreamed color of people with varying eye and hair color too. Read more about blue eyed half cast babies http://www.esthetique-realm.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=10332
The point is why should you care if other people would like to make babies of blue or red eyes! What is the real reason behind your insist on being exclusive and divisive? Ahhh, yes, it is because you are racist!
Interracial marriages is not only good for the problems of racism, but there is less chance of defective genes matching up, thereby, reducing or eliminating prominent features such as long crooked noses and tightly slanted eyes etc.
Another thing I’d like to share with some of you gentlemen who wrote here is: ALL women grow old! If you think Asian women look ugly when they’re old, then take another look at your mother. If you plan to grow old with one, take your pick – a tiny, shriveled up Asian lady or a large old hag with excessive flesh and skin hanging off her face, waist and thighs. Another difference is: Asian women are less afraid of growing old. Thanks to a cultural system that revere and value their elders. The Western culture, however, values perpetual youthfulness. For many, aging is like a plague. To add salt to injury, there is little or no family support for you when you need it most. Is it any wonder, why more Caucasian women feel the need to go on endless anti-aging crusades trying to stay as young or as attractive as possible. Which is OK. However, if an older Asian woman put on make-up and try to look attractive, she will be shunned by her family and community, as it is considered improper behavior for her age.
Furthermore, for those of you who wonder why you don’t see many Asian guys dating Caucasian women. It is not because they’re being rejected by Caucasian women as some say. Do you have any idea how many single, desperate and lonely Caucasian women there are out there with no one to love!? The fact is Asian men generally have cultural and family obligations. The sons of Asian families are the pillars of their parents’ hope and strength. When the head of the family pass away, the oldest sons take their fathers’ places. It becomes their duty to ensure that family unity and closeness are preserved. They’re responsible for their younger brothers and sisters’ physical and moral health and well-being. The younger brothers are next-in-line to the throne of honor. Therefore, as true sons, they must honor their parents’ wishes and steer clear of Western women who tend not to be as faithful, or value family closeness, or care about family honor as much. Also, since they have been brought up with certain standard of morality, dating women for the sake of sexual gratification alone is a degrading and immoral thing to do. However, that’s not to say that there are no naughty Asian males out there, who date Caucasian women just for fun. After they’re done playing, they make their parents happy by settling down into marriage with women from their own culture. Of course, there are some who fall in-love with their prey and ended up marrying them. I see at least 7 marriages of Asian/Caucasian couples in my small community alone. These young women that have been chosen generally understand the value of the Asian families and make the commitments to uphold their new family’s values and traditions accordingly.The Gen Y Asians on the other hand, tend to be moving more fully towards interracial relationship with much less cultural encumbrances. This is because many of the Gen Y Asians, like many of their Western counterpart, are the products of Hollywood and the Western media. Thus, children, inevitably succumb to the influence of the media and develop their own culture and tastes. So these days, it seems all of the Gen Y Asian boys are dating Caucasian girls. Which is great. All my nephews and their friends, and their friends’ friends take at least a couple Caucasian girls each, even share or swap the girls amongst themselves. The girls are mostly treated well in other ways though, their dinners are always paid for, and their gifts of jewelery are always of pure gold. It is just an Asian style. Any Caucasian girl I talk to have said that once they’ve dated an Asian guy, there’s no turning back to dating white guys. So yes, there is love in the air, all be it Hollywood style. There is more interracial love between older generations now too. Now that racism and ignorance is decreasing, more and more Caucasian gentlemen are coming out to mingle with the rest of the people of the world. They’re not necessary old, bald and ugly. The ones that I know and befriended are heart-throbs, white collar professionals.
So, here’s to love!
Whew! That was a long comment, indeed!
1) To whoever posted previously about being a ”proud white woman”. I’m sure that what she meant was that white women do NOT necessarily need to read certain books published about ”how” to behave and imitate asian women. Not because she’s a ”white supremacist”. Whoever posted that link about white women needing to read books like that sounds a very haughty person herself. NO - it’s just that NO particular race ”needs” to read books on how to imitate other races - that’s all!
But asia takes in such a large territory. Indian women are asian too, and amongst the most beautiful, classy and educated.
But let’s face it. It’s no wonder the Chinese and Korean (amongst the majority) of asian women seem to be taking over the male population. It’s because there’s SO MANY OF THEM! It’s like they’re on a mission of some kind! How would the female populations of some south-east asian countries feel if THEY got an influx of hoards of caucasian women taking over their men and universities? Now THAT’S a question to ponder over!
I am aware that more than half the student body at UCLA is of asian origin of some kind. Does that sound fair? I KNOW that it’s NOT just a question of ”they’re brainier”! NO. There is something else going on here that’s not quite so obvious. They may be paying higher fees (money talks). Maybe. Point is, there should be more university spaces allocated at UCLA (and other californian universities), to native californians, whatever their race.
I’m also aware that there are many asian people arriving on our west coast shores here in the USA due to more liberal visa requirements from the government in Washington. OK. Many come for business reasons (investment), which is good for our country. They buy lot’s of real estate, too. But PLEASE - leave some spaces at our universities for native born americans (of whatever race).
venganza - Please educate yourself. Asian Americans have higher average SAT scores than any other group. Period. They perform better in school. There isn’t any preferential treatment there because, simply, we don’t need it.
Seeing as how Americans of European descent are not native to this country either, it’s pretty silly to judge and harbor animosity toward another culture that has only helped the US with paying taxes and near nonexistent need for welfare assistance.
Welfare stats:
White 38.8%
Black 37.2
Hispanic 17.8
Asian 2.8
Other 3.4
If there’s millions of Asians in the US, as you claim, then that figure is pretty impressive.
Also, do you know the size of Korea? Or Japan? Indeed, China is a huge country but Korea is about the size of Italy. And it’s a highly prosperous country with a well educated work force and very low unemployment. It would behoove you to know of which you speak, else you sound like a redneck racist.
Now, from my experience, people in general are attracted to differences in appearance. If you’re a guy and your mom is blonde, you probably like brunettes and visa versa. I’ve noticed that white men dislike their skin and prefer the smooth tanned skin of Asian women. That’s just appearance.
In terms of relationships, Asians clearly have a presence in colleges and universities where eligible men of all stripes can be found. Asian men are more retiring in general and their white counterparts are often more aggressive in dating. And that’s, I believe, what it’s all about.
Please Note :
When I said ”native born americans” I also said ”of ANY race”. Which means that whatever their ancestry may be, they were, nevertheless, born in the USA, and are just as deserving of going to a good university in the USA as are people who come on a visa to study here.
Re SAT scores. I wouldn’t care if ALL the students at universities were of asian descent (as long as they were born here). What I DO resent are the many asian people who where were NOT born here and get visas to study in our universities at the cost of people who WERE born here and who have just as good test scores as well. Again, as I posted previously, I believe it all comes down to money and fees.
I have NEVER met any white men who dislike their own skin. Unless they have acne or something like that (but asian people can get that too). And it’s by no means a fact that ALL asian women have smooth tanned skin. On the contrary, I thought that theirs was a culture which prided itself on having WHITE skin. One can seem them walking around on very hot days with umbrellas to protect their complexion. I’ve seen the same bumps and pimples on the skins of asian people as I see on caucasian people.
Have a lovely day.
Mr Vengence. Oh, sorry I mean Venganza.
I’ve just notice your name appeared 9 times in this blog. My mission is to try and unite people. You on the other hand, what is your mission? Stop all your put downs and assumptions already. I think we’ve got your point already. You hate Asians. So please get off the line and let other people have ago.
This is an open, public blog. Unless the moderator decides otherwise, one may post as many times as one wants. Unless - like I mentioned - the moderator decides otherwise, or the blog becomes unavailable.
You cannot automatically decide who hates who. Actually, I don’t hate anybody, as I know very well what hate means, having experienced discrimination myself on account of race and religion. You cannot automatically assume anything!
My specific point was, and still is, the very unfair policies of US based universities of granting more applications for places to people on visas here, rather than to our home-grown applicants. That’s all. And I don’t just mean asians who are here on visas - I mean ANYBODY who’s here on a visa.
I know people who work at the UCLA application department and so I’ve got a bit of a view on what goes on in the back room and WHO are the ones who are REALLY getting placed there. This is factual, not something I’m making up.
Have a relaxing day.
Hi folks,
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As long as you don’t spam or threaten people, you may post as many comments as you want.
venganza - It’s true, I made some remarks from, as I did preface, my own experience. Being raised in the US, tanned skin always seemed to be the preference amongst my friends. Consider the popularity of tanning salons, lotions, and tanning sprays. I’m golden toned regardless of sun and tan quickly to a deep caramel. Some Asians are very pale and enjoy appearing that way. Plenty of other Asian women enjoy having some color to their skin. We aren’t a dime a dozen, as you’ve claimed.
I’m in my 30’s and have dated a fair number of men and they ALL loved my skin, including my current boyfriend. But if I could just make a quick observation, note the woman in the picture at the top of this blog. Not pale.
Regarding university admissions, the US welcomes international students. This might be why:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/11/world/americas/11iht-students.4.8286921.html
This figure is probably greater because 2008/2009 had a greater number of international students. We don’t need $14.5 billion or more taken away from the US right now.
UC is suffering from a very serious budget shortfall as reported in the Jan. 4th New Yorker, your admissions friends might not have jobs soon. They actually NEED more out of state and international students on top of raising tuition to stay afloat.
International students have help to build US universities to be where they are now. Universities contribute a lot to the economy but to be frank, I’ve NEVER known anyone to be denied admission to a college in their top three choices. I’m referring to “home-grown” friends.
You seem to have a lot of different ideas on the subject of Asians and non-natives. Ranging from the inflammatory to the intolerant. I might suggest you move if Asians bother you so much. California isn’t a good place for you.
Clarity :
Why should I need to move? I’m sure there’s enough room in California to accommodate all of us. Apart from which I love the climate here.
Many people ARE leaving, although not for the reason you suggest that I should. No. They’re leaving for economic reasons, for the most part. Meaning an unfriendly business environment and high taxes.
If you believe that putting the rights of American citizens over those of foreigners re university admissions to be intolerant, then so be it. I don’t.
Just a thought.
Thanks Clarity for your clarification. The following info further supports your comments on international students:
http://www.fecca.org.au/Speeches/2008/speeches_2008003.pdf http://www.dfat.gov.au/aib/tourism_students.html
Like America, Australia welcomes international students because as Messimeri (2008) observes, they “represent a significant boost to our local economy and add weight to Australia’s claims to be a knowledge nation with a thriving and internationally competitive university sector.” In 2008 Australia received $12.5 billion.
In my MBA classes at James Cook Uni, in some courses, half the class is made up of Indian students, while less than half are locals. But overall, our classes consist of students from India, Hong Kong, China, Thailand, Nepal, Zambia, PNG, and the US. Most of these students (Indians especially) go back home to run their parents’ businesses. Only a handful is employed in Australia upon completion of their degrees because they are what Australian employers wanted.
In regards to money talk, when it comes to running a country and sustaining a nation, money is important. Our nation needs foreign students’ money. We need money irrespective of the economic cycle. That money employs lecturers and pays the bills. It helps universities to “stay afloat” as Clarity correctly stated. It is also used for expanding universities so that they can accommodate more local and international students. It is a Win-Win transaction here. So this should be viewed as a good thing. This is government policy. A policy which is supported by Australians, and I believe it is the same for the US otherwise it would not have received that $14.5 billion. Have any Australians been left out of Universities because of these overseas students? I believe not. If they made the score they would get admitted, if not, they wouldn’t apply in the first place. However, if they get rejected after being eligible for admission, then there would be a public outcry. I have not seen this happened in Australia. I presume the same for America.
Getting back to love, it is also about the Win-Win. Asian women have what White men desire and vice versa. They complete each other, irrespective of race or creed. As long as their vision, mission, goals, purpose and beliefs are common and shared, they will continue to bond in love. Love ignores, tolerates and accepts a multitude of things. Hate magnifies little things - it majors in minors. It causes the individual to become myopic. Hate causes you to misconstrue people’s deeds and actions.
Also, Clarity is right about color imitation. The popularity of solariums for achieving a tan is rising even though there is a high risk of skin cancer involved. Intermarriage (between dark and white skinned people) is the only safe way to obtain some of that healthy, golden-brown complexion for the future generations. My beautiful Cambodian wife, 39, has that golden-brown complexion. Being the only Asian girl in an office building full of Caucasians, she stood out. Nearly all of her male colleagues pursued her. Some men bumped into parked cars when they saw her walking nearby. There were invitations to have an affair, to marry, to date etc. She was pursued by younger and older colleagues for the whole time that she worked there despite knowing that she is married with four kids. They loved her so much, one of them even cried for her. All that attention disturbed me greatly. At one stage I cried my eye balls out as I thought she must have succumbed to the temptations. She is now safe at home. We celebrated our 19th wedding anniversary a couple of weeks ago.
Asian women don’t prefer white men. I can prove that because the vast majority of asian women are still with asian men. Unless you can show me 50.1% of all asian men dating white guys over asian guys. I’ll admit I was wrong. But good luck trying to find that out.
Which makes this article and this writer full of fail. For every asian girl around me, there are at least 9 that won’t date outside their race.
A wide paintbrush is wide…
This isn’t rocket science, folks. The “dominant culture” at the moment is western. When I say dominant, it’s the preception or actual power that’s manifested through institutions that projects itself out to the greater global population.
People who argue that white guys are so much better than x guys because of their superior genetic makeup is full of shit. If there were a set of genes that dictated a standardized notion of beauty amongst an average human population, we would all have been selected through generations of breeding to look the same. That fact that there is a noticeable divide in esthetics simply proves my point.
Women tend to be attracted to power and not looks as a primary factor in mate selection. In the current system in which wealth and the acquistion of property equates to said power, “whites” are the dominant player. There is just simply more wealth in the west than anywhere else.
Allow me to prove my point. If you were to go to Brazil today, and from talking to many of the locals, you’d discover that Asian males are considered to be the most highly sought after than any other. Their asian population has historically been Japanese merchants (predominantly men) who have been doing business and living there for the last couple hundred years. They thrived there and developed a “dominant” image for themselves.
We all know that Brazil is an extremely diverse population with many people who claim African, European and Native heritage. So, no, it’s not just a select group involved in this phemonenon. This could also be illustrated in many other South American, European and Eurasian countries.
Having said all this, I think you’re seeing a shift in that dominance going towards the east. We’re on the cusp and it’s well within our life time. It only took the British a bit more than a decade after World War II to fall off their pedestal. It took the Soviet Union about 6 years. I think you’re going to see something inbetween with the United States.
Lastly, I’d like to say that if Harvard is producing drivel of this caliber, than God help us all. You proved absolutely nothing and your arguements were weak from the get-go.
VS is absolutely right. I agree with EVERY point you’ve contributed here.
I especially support your second last paragraph about the shifting of dominance to the east.
VS your theory fails because one simple fact - African women are attracted to African males (or black).
I’ve heard the opposite, euro guys are most sought after in Brazil.
PS. I’m an euro guy (from the new, poor part) with a Japanese girlfriend, how do I fit into your theory?
Clarity :
Since you keep mentioning the subject of skin and beautiful skin colour, etc. etc. I shall take the liberty of mentioning it myself (although I normally don’t talk about that sort of thing). I happen to have an olive, mediterranean type of complexion which tans very easily and also receive complements about it.
But I normally don’t go around boasting about it. Not on blogs or elsewhere. I brought up this subject because you mentioned your own complexion several times.
Oh - forgot to mention something. My roommate and sister-in-law are both asian. One is from Japan, and the other is from India. Don’t see much intolerance there.
Re the UCLA and other university admissions subject. Sorry, I still stand by what I originally said. In my opinion, when more than half of a student body is asian (pre-dominantly south-east asian), then there’s something wrong with that picture. A true and more fair make up of a diverse student body would have more people from other countries too, rather that having such a huge majority from one particular area. Even putting the whole visa thing aside, our universities would deserve a more diverse make-up, surely.
But like I stated previously and I state again. Money talks, and higher fees being paid talk too - ugly, yes, but nevertheless true, pretty or not.
Another thought.
Michael, great post. Also interesting about Australia and their welcoming approach to international students. I believe that developed countries have an understanding that the world is a better place when its people are educated. It’s also refreshing to see people do have a more expansive perspective on attraction, relationships and love rather than debasing it to exoticism and greed.
FYI - we’re not talking about why the world is the is attracted to whom they date/love/marry. The discussion was about Asian/White couples. As such, healthy loving relationships in this category have everything to do with differences as it does similarities. Or, so I’ve realized.
I was looking for some viewpoints on this subject because I would hate to fit into a fetishized role and my bf does have a mild “preference” and previous bf’s didn’t. Certain commenters have helped me see more clearly on the subject. So, thank you.
Most normal white men prefer White women. It is the abnormal loserish White men who are forced to pursue Asian women because they can’t get women of their own race.
This Chris Yeh has some serious self-hatred issues. Come on now, there are many Asian men that are much more attractive than White men. No race is more attractive than another. Attraction is based on conditioning from the media and what you see. Years ago Black men like Michael Jordan were not considered attractive until they staretd appearing in the media. Chris, I suggest you see a psychiatrist to help with your insecurity issues.
I’d venture to say that Asian women seem more attractive than Asian men because of the lack of sexual dimorphism in Asian races, ie the men appear more feminine than other races. Many people seem to agree (sometimes begrudgingly) that Asian transexuals (boy to girl) are far more attractive than Caucasian ones, and Asian transexuals are even more attractive than Asian women. The smaller chin, the softer, hairless skin, the fine features etc.
This would be one reason why Asian women are considered more aesthetically pleasing than men. This however, is a reflection present cultural attitudes towards the masculine and feminine (which is more machoistic towards men than it was in other centuries).
From what i’ve been reading on these posts, people are pointing out about physical qualities about asians. Well, there are preferences that people have, but I think most people would be attracted to any race if they find that person to be interesting. My feeling is that most non asian women who like asian men have some asian influence like being familiar with an adopted asian relative because you grew up with them, martial arts like you mentioned, grew up with an asian classmate, or just like the asian culture they visited etc.
I agree with you when it comes to white men and asian women couples, american society says it’s ok for this relationship, however, it’s not ok if it’s reversed, it doesn’t seem fair…even online dating isn’t fair either unless if you’re on of those racial preference only sites but that would be kind of ignorant.
I took a class at UC Berkeley (asian American history 20).
In one class, the professor made an analysis of Western media and sociologic impacts.
If you examine who are the heroes, the sexy, the desirable MEN in movies , tv and print ads?
WHITE MEN (rambo was the example)
Secondarily BLACK MEN (denzel, snipes)
Who are the desirable WOMEN?
WHITE WOMEN
secondarily LATIN (but still light skinned, as strong willed , fiery)
third ASIAN women (as exotic dragon ladies or women in distress)
Examples of Asian women were the light skinned helpless vietnamese woman in Rambo III. She was strong willed and independent taking care of her family and fighting off japanese soldiers advances until RAMBO shows up and she become submissive and helpless. The alternative is the DRAGON LADY/SEX OBJECT like the woman in Volunteers (movie with Tom Hanks) in the tight fitting QiPao and slit in the dress up to the waist…
In the end, if you are a MAN (white black, yellow, purple…) you are conditioned to envy White men or pursue White Women, Latin, and Asian (in that order)
If you are WOMAN, you want a WHITE MAN and a BLACK Man in that order
ASian men were portrayed as sidekicks (even bruce lee in the green hornet was a comedic side kick), or COMEDIC actors long duc dong (sixteeen candles), any Jackie Chan character of late . Jet Li is likely the exception but has not been known as a sex symbol, only a kung fu star… (more of an Asian guy for the GUYS)
With the east opening up… Asian women I met in China/HK over the last few decades want that Western life … but there are many who don’t… you can see that those who do, prefer white men, the ones they see in the media. Those that dont… well they marry Chinese men…
Almost everyone in here is completely nuts…
If you don’t value your own race and culture imagine if other people would value your race and culture?
Did you ever think about if your future child would prefer a clear asian identity? Will the child feel the lack of identity being “mixed”?
Your race is asian, honor your race by keeping your race and culture alive.
It’s every asians resposibility, do your part, choose only asian partners.
Please meditate and think about it young lady!
Please everybody respect their own race, let’s make the world more natural!!!
Asian men CAN only date Asian women.
Hey Chris, why didn’t you phrase the your question in 3 parts: (1) your original premise; (2) change it to first guy being white and second guy being asian; and (3) both guys equal except for ethnicity. Where you afraid that regardless of neurons, the white guy would still be the one of choice? As for Chan/Li, Chan’s a buffoon who’s rich by satying stay within racial stereotypes and has done nothing to enhance asian mens’ good qualities. Li has tried to do more, but hsan’t succeeded probably due to Chan’s overriding antics.
I am a white woman and I am happy that so many white men prefer asian women. I don’t want them anyway- I much prefer asian men to white men so this gives me more good available men. Asian men are usually raised with very good manners and know how to treat a lady. I think that many of these white men are in search of some type of sterotype that isn’t really true. Most asian women I know are not docile- maybe the ones straight from Thailand or somewhere with limited financial opportunities but this would be true of any race.
To Venganza:
It’s so disturbing to have read so many negative things about Chinese people especially during Chinese New Year!
Perhaps you don’t notice, but your comments are really racist and full of disgust towards Asian women especially the Chinese “dime-a-dozen” and who “latch on other women’s’ boyfriends and husbands”.
When some guys praised about Asian women, you immediately stated that Asian women are really no different from other women. But you on the other hand hold so much grudge against Asian women and keep saying how much we go out with old men for money and we control our men blah blah. Anyone who has a brain would think that you probably had been stabbed by an Asian or your boyfriend/husband was latched on by one. Listen up, Asian women are really just like any other women. We come in different shapes or sizes, nice or mean, educated or illiterate. There are probably just about as many “dime-a-dozen” in Asian as in other cultures. Evolutionary speaking, women are attracted to power and financial success, perhaps including you, Miss Venganza. Women can be independent and it is natural to have standards choosing mates. Nobody wants to date someone who cannot even afford dinner or simply who is cheap. It is obvious that you fancy Japanese and Indian and my guess is that because one is your roommate and another one is your sister-in-law, which means they are who you personally are close to. Chinese is such a big population by which its people, of course, come with different personalities. The way you generalize Chinese women is like some jerk comes out and makes a statement like, “all women are whores”, which is completely nonsense and stupid. Mind you, if you ever have a Chinese roommate and you finally get to learn the culture and love it, you might then have an utterly different attitude about Chinese people and will you then come back to this thread to praise her? Had your tone of voice not been so spiteful, there wouldn’t be these many of us having to come out and comment to you.
For your information,
Indian, Pakistani = South Asian
Japanese, Chinese, Korean = East Asian
A lot of Asian women are NOT attracted to White males and will never consider dating one, with some exceptions like Brad Pitt, David Beckham who are like 1 in a million.
Asian women perhaps are open to date older men, not just older White men.
For the past, most people like to have a lighter skin but this is changing. Like Clarity states above, lots of people are getting tanned. In the old days, lighter skin signified wealth because only the people who didn’t have to work would have light skin. Like you said, money talks, it symbolizes power. Now the trend is the opposite.: tanned skin means you don’t have to work, like Paris Hilton who has so much free time to get a tan. Lighter skin, on the other hand, means you have to stay at the office and don’t get to see the sun. The world is always changing but liking lighter skin doesn’t necessarily mean liking to be White. Lighter African American is also more desirable than its deep dark counterpart. Though it doesn’t mean the lighter ones are trying to be White–NO WAY.
If you know anything about Chinese culture, it is a collectivist culture which family value is strongly emphasized. We seek for harmony, help out each other and those in need, and are very close to our family. Morality is what we praise and are proud of. Read up more, and you’ll be amazed.
I do see mostly Caucasian women come out to give nasty comments on Asian women, but how often doyou see the otherwise??? Show some class, women! How well do you know about Asian if you are not one and you have attitudes toward one? And you had to agree with FunnyAsians when his post puts Asian down and he calls us whores. How and where did you come up with that conclusion and to that agreement???
Overall, it’s what you have inside that count, not something as shallow as race, age, or Chinese dime-a-dozen. Yes I am very offended. If you open your mind, you will see much more.
At the end, wish everyone a happy Chinese New Year! Wish you lots of love and happiness.
Friend of clarity:
No. My back hasn’t been stabbed - not by an asian person, or anybody else. My boyfriend doesn’t even live here. He’s overseas!
Sorry, but I don’t take back anything I’ve previously said. And it’s not just me. Most everybody I know has been hurt in some way by asian women latching on to their boyfriends - or in some cases, to their husbands (even fathers with children). Is this just a coincidence that these women all happened to be asian?
These are facts, not just something I’m making up. Shame on the men too for falling for this ploy.
And yes, sure there are good and bad in all races (goes without saying). Just somehow, one just doesn’t seem to hear about non-asian women latching onto asian womens’ boyfriends or husbands. Of if they do, then they’re at a minimum.
Supposing the reverse were to happen, and hoards of non-asian women (and men), were to immigrate to asian countries, fill their universities, and latch on to the men and women. I wonder how the native asian populations in those countries would react to that? Food for thought.
I knew many women like to date with white guys mainly because they think white men are handsome. But in our country, we don’t appreciate that kind of girls. White male should aware of that usually a charming (to Chinese Men), tame girl won’t go out with you that easily. Some Asian men are laughing at white men because they could always accept dating with ugly Asian women( who are not attracted to them).
I’m an Asian female and I’m attracted to white men. I think part of my attraction is founded by the western standard of beauty: blonde, blue, and tall. Perhaps if media and culture were not dictated by western influence, I wouldn’t be attracted to white men, but I it does, and I am.
Although physical attraction is important, relational connectivity is also equally important, if not more important than exterior preferences. I don’t think it’s impossible for me to fall for a guy that isn’t white, it would just be very hard because ‘blonde, and blue’ pulls me like a moth to flame. That being said, I would not settle for just any guy that fits the bill. I’m not fishing for just a model-number-five-carbon-copy of the average American boy. What I’m saying is.. WHAT’S INSIDE IS more important than what is outside, particuarly what’s between the ears. That’s what attracts me the most: a robust wit and humor.
So, in the end I could see myself going out with any guy irrespective of race, so long as they are generally respectful, kind, humble, and intellectually capable. But, my kryptonite still remains white guys! The only way to bypass my preference for white guys is to stop me in my tracks with your beautiful mind
There’s something really irresistable about a shy, ‘dorky,’ intelligent guy=)
P.S, I took offense at the a fellow critic labeling asians as being flat up top, with no butts.. I’m a 34D, 26 waist and 36 hip! We’re not all twigs!
What would be the proper term for describing an asian that does not include south asia or west asia?
So how do you describe an asian that is east/southeast asian (i.e. ‘mongoloid’)? There has to be some terminology right? Is mongoloid the best one oute there? It seems a little weird to say “mongoloid”… Whats acceptable?
Just curious.
I married a beautiful Chinese woman 15 years ago, and we are still married and very much in love today. I never went looking for an Asian woman, or meeting was pure accidental. I had admired some of the Asian women who are very beautiful, but so are some woman from every race and I have admired them as well. A beautiful woman is like a great piece of art and should be admired Ive always thought. Though since I married I have had no need or reason to admire anyone else, nor could I even imagine doing so. One reason is because i dont want to. Another is because contrary to popular belief, Asian woman will knock the crap out of you if you do. They can be very dominating at times, and not in the fun way you might be thinking of, although some of that can happen at times too, but I digress. Call it a fetish, call it whatever you want, but I adore my wife, and I always have and always will. And she has blessed me with 3 of the most adorable children in the world, a mix of her Chinese, and my Euro/American Caucasian. The older they get they more their looks get them in trouble too. Our boy, the oldest is now being sought after by many girls or all races for his looks and athletic pose. The 2 younger girls are always getting comments from people on just how adorable they are. I dread the coming years when they want to really start dating, and the wolves that will be knocking at our door( and me with my 45 in my iwb holster to answer the door)
Point is, it doesnt matter who your idea dream woman is, or was, you end up with your perfect mate no matter what you think you want. And maybe if you get what you think you want, you just might regret it. I originally always had what you call a fetish for red heads, and I ended up with the farthest thing from a red head, and have been happy ever since. About the only thing I would have to say is not a great thing about marrying an Asian, is that you marry the whole family. And that includes having to support many of them as well. For the rest of yours and their lives. Its considered normal in most Asian cultures. Just think of that while your chasing your Asian dream girl. You might get the girl, but your sending money to her parents, siblings, and even cousins , for eternity.
I forgot I wanted to comment on the Harvard MBA thing. Ive attended some of the Harvard business seminars over the years, and have met more than a few of the university graduates. I have to say that most Ive met even admit there parents paid for the education, but they didnt actually learn anything. Just having the parchment with Harvard on it gets them into some of the most prestigious doors in the world, and even some of the best jobs around. It still doesnt mean they know their arses from a hole in the ground. After all , think about who is most prevalent on Wall street, and in congress. Its Harvard, and other Ivy league graduates. Look at the bang up job they have been doing. Corruption, Fraud, Crimes you would not believe. And Just remember, GW Bush was the first Harvard MBA President. That worked out well didnt it? Just because the education cost more than most could ever pay doesnt mean its worth a plug nickle. This article kind of re-enforces that too.
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